This is part 2.
And yet another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
So I work as an answering service and some of our clients are hospitals, pediatricians, and obgyn offices. It is so heartbreaking to hear people calling in who are pregnant after they get the tdap vaccine or their children after getting vaccines, wanting to speak to the on call dr because of the reactions.. we cant advise anything, only take the messages and text the doctors, so hearing it and knowing their pain but not being able to tell them what it is from or say to stop vaccinating… ugh it breaks my heart 😭😭 I just had a call today from a woman who is 30 weeks pregnant and is bleeding from the tdap 😭 this job is overwhelming
And some replies to this post:
I know the feeling as I work at a pharmacy bah
I work at a medical clinic and I know what you mean 😦 literally calling the next day or several days after there well check where they got vaccines, to say they have high fevers or were hospitalized and have to follow up with there provider. So so sad breaks my heart. I wish I could tell them too
Ooooh I couldn’t do that. 😭😭
I could never not say ” consider the vaccinations” I don’t care if I was fired over it. People’s lives matter more to me then just doing my job
I would keep a personal journal and document everything you hear from people… maybe you could use it for something someday…
I found out, thanks to a friendly informer, who gave me a source directly from the CDC itself, that the MMR vaccine (the measles one) that Rockland County was trying to mandate (or ban you from the public if you didn’t get it) has WI-38 in it. Wi-38 is a diploid human cell strain composed of fibroblasts derived from lung tissue of a 3-months gestation female fetus.
Click to access excipient-table-2.pdf
Here is a post from Shannon Joy:
GREAT news – A judge has blocked the Rockland County, NY order banning the ‘unvaccinated’ from public spaces ———>
http://westchester.news12.com/story/40258391/judge-halts-rockland-countys-measles-emergency-order
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Those of you that once vaccinated and then stopped , what was your number one reason why? Really just trying to educate myself further. I’m completely against them for myself and my kiddos .
And here are the replies to this post:
My daughter was injured
Found out aborted fetal cells were used and I was like I’m
Done. I didn’t have a clue. That was over 10 years ago.
My daughter was constantly sick. We practically lived at the doctors office. After hearing “it’s normal” too many times, I did my own research. Stopped vaccinating at 12 months. She’ll be 4 in May and has been sick once a year for less than 24hrs
My last daughter had aweful reactions
The death of my child did it for me
Daughter ended up comatose for 13 days
My youngest daughter was injured when they held her and me down and gave her 8 shots at once
I wasn’t educated at all of what the ingredients actual were, the dose amount dangers, the risks/side effects, the poisons etc NOW I’m aware and woke! My niece was diagnosed with a cancer type most likey caused from the Flu Shot:(
My child cried constantly for weeks after well visits. Then I did some research and spoke to friends who had made the same decision. We stopped after his 6 month appt.
A vaccine killed my perfectly healthy son.
My son had a severe reaction to his 4 month set of shots, plus he was 9 weeks premature and still got them on time…makes me nauseous to think about. None ever again after that and my second son is completely unvaccinated.
The 2nd MMR booster made my then 4yr old change/regress overnight. His developmental doc proved he had a reaction to the vaccine and it overwhelmed his immune system and he developed PANS. I’d take measles any day over what we’ve lived through. But my son is now healed at 6yr old and doing incredible but we had to spend thousands of hours and $$$$ to recover him
Oldest had a seizure following 12 month shots. Second child had an adverse reaction to Hep B that was given in the NICU without our consent
My son had his first vaccines and his personality immediately changed, that very day. He didn’t have any more and neither did my daughter.
I read the ingredients.
Vaccine damage. Both my daughter and I ended up with severe damage that required intensive and long term “rehab”.
At 6 months she had vaccines and that night stopped breathing turned blue and purple. Thank God I got her breathing again. She was put on a breathing monitor for 3 months. Stop all vaccines
I was always leary because of issues vaccinating dogs do I wanted to delay and space out. The ped we had with the twins talked me into the hib at 2m and they had a reaction which the ped of course denied was related. I refused any more for months until we moved and saw multiple peds that all said they had to be “caught up”. I finally let them get a dtap which they didn’t seem to have an issue with. We started a new ped after that and a few months later got another where one twin stopped responding to his name and lost receptive speech. I refused to do any more after that. We found a new ped that has never pushed us and started there with the birth of my next. We’ve been there since and they’ve never tried to force us to do any more.
We did delayed schedule with my first. No help at birth, and he got that at two months, and at six months he got his two month vaccines. He was very lethargic and feverish afterwards, and it scared me. That’s when I started to research. I learned enough to where I decided that it was too risky to continue. My failure, though, was I stopped researching. I was afaraid of tetanus, and so, two years later when my son was bit by a dog, I consented to a tetanus booster. I asked for it split, they made a big show of looking for one and ultimately gave him TDaP without informing me. I didn’t know that it was completely useless against tetanus if he had been infected. Within days, the change happened. He was nearly three- been potty trained for almost a year, no accidents, could draw remarkably well, neatly, in the lines. Dress himself. Speaking very well. Play quietly by himself or sit through a movie no problem. He became fussy, throwing fits, freaking out over things. He started having accidents. Neat drawings became scribbles. He started hand flapping and jumping up and down in place, couldn’t focus on a task for a long time. He lost a lot of coordination, struggled to dress himself. Started not stuttering, but struggled to put his words together or focous on what he was trying to say so would repeat words, over and over until he could peice it together. You could see his frustration. He was aware that it was happening band it upset hiqm. He didn’t understand why.
My husband had instinctively never wanted to vaccinate him. I was scared. The guilt is something i will never get over. He better now, very functional. It’s been 7 years. He still has some sensory issues, I’ll have to remind him to go to the bathroom sometimes. He still jumps up and down, always has to be moving. He toe walks, severely.
As a child I always ended up with pneumonia after shots. Senior year in high school, my body couldn’t take it anymore… After flu shot I got pneumonia once again, but this time I ended up in a coma for two weeks, almost dying from septic shock. It’s been 10 years now and I haven’t had a vaccine since, haven’t had pneumonia since either. It’s not worth taking the risk, not knowing if my son could have the same poor respiratory reactions like I had.
My 3rd born had seizures and totally stopped talking after his last vaccines…. he hasn’t spoke to say mom, no,dada, dog….nothing. When I researched ingredients- I would never have given consent if I had known.
Eczema, constant earaches, some learning disabilities(including a son who didn’t talk a word till over 3) a daughter with a febrile seizure at 3 yo not normal reseach I began back in he 80s made me realize the risk/benefit ration just not worth it.
My first born ended up with damage to his pituitary gland. He was diagnosed with pituitary dwarfism due to the lack of growth hormone his body was able to produce. God made my heart heavy when it came to his next round of vaccines so I decided to wait. Since then I have started researching and found that a lot of his medical issues are found in the vaccine inserts as adverse reactions. He has had no more vaccinations since and maybe a year or 2 later he started growing again. Thank God, he is now a normal height, but some issues have remained. My second hasnt had even 1 vaccine and is the picture of health. At 2 he is larger than my oldest was at 5…. and that is no exaggeration!
Worked at a pediatric hospital and witnessed all the vaccine injuries.
My oldest is a vaccine injured child. She was constantly sick as a baby, has processing disorders, celiac disease… numerous things that point to vaccines!
My son became autistic overnight after MMR
Vaccine injury (Anaphalaxis) with my first 2 of 3….
4 kids third kid got a reaction at 12 month shots. Stopped speaking started regressing. 4th kid injection free. First 2 kids have asthma, exzema, adhd, odd, all had screaming, high fevers after shots. Slept the infancy away. 4th baby never sleeps like her brothers did. All 3 boys have gut issues as well.
I was vaccine injured. I got the Gardasil vaccine and was paralyzed for a year
My 5 year old son had seizures and was lifeless after DTAP and MMR. Thankfully I was at the lake and the first people I found were first responders (crazy!) He is still alive, his blood pressure was in the 190’s. He’s since developed sleep apnea, has thyroid issues and I’m thinking early puberty. He also has gained 45 pounds in a little over a year.
And another post from this group:
Guess who is behind this “UNIVERSAL FLU VACCINE” ?
“PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION” — This is how fear-mongering tactics are implemented. First scare the shit out of people by predicting a GLOBAL PANDEMIC – Give maximum publicity & coverage for your statement via multiple news outlets – Then later come out with the solution, which GATES himself had been funding and developing – the UNIVERSAL FLU VACCINE.”
Apr-2018 – “….BILL GATES warns – 30 MILLION People Could Die From FLU PANDEMIC …”
https://gizmodo.com/bill-gates-warns-30-million-people-could-die-from-flu-p-1825615528
While in the background, BILL GATES was overseeing the development of a UNIVERSAL FLU VACCINE
??????
Apr-2018 – Bill Gates pledges $12 million for UNIVERSAL FLU VACCINE
Dec-2018: – “What I learned at work this year” – By Bill Gates
https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/Year-in-Review-2018
Apr-2019: – NIH begins first-in-human trial of a universal influenza vaccine candidate
EXCERPT:
“I had hoped that hitting the 100th anniversary of this epidemic would spark a lot of discussion about whether we’re ready for the next global epidemic. But if anything is going to kill tens of millions of people in a short time, it will probably be a global epidemic. And the disease would most likely be a form of the flu, because the flu virus spreads easily through the air. Today, a flu as contagious and lethal as the 1918 one, would kill nearly 33 million people in just 6 months….”
“I have been studying this for several years. To be prepared, we need a plan for national governments to work together. We need to think through how to handle quarantines, make sure supply chains will reach affected areas, decide how to involve the military”
There has been progress toward a Vaccine that would protect you from every strain of the Flu.
This year I visited the U.S. National Institutes of Health and got an update.
The challenges of making a “Universal Flu Vaccine” are fascinating. All strains of the virus have certain structures in common. If you’ve never been exposed to the Flu, it’s possible to make a Vaccine that teaches your immune system to look for those structures and attack them. But once you’ve had the Flu, your body obsesses over the strain that got you sick. That makes it really hard to get your immune system to look for the common structures.
So it is clear how we could make a “Universal Vaccine” that would protect anyone who has never been exposed to the Flu before.
To make the most of these scientific efforts, the world needs to develop a Global System for Monitoring and Responding to Epidemics.
That is a political matter that requires international cooperation among government leaders. This issue deserves a lot more focus.
Here is a Common Core Diva article tying the vaccine push to the educratic “health” and home visit agenda: https://commoncorediva.wordpress.com/2019/04/08/getting-a-checkup/
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
I have had such a heavy heart lately over the push for mandatory vaccines. My son was diagnosed at the age of 3 and half with autism. When my son was one I knew there was something wrong but I was such I young mom I didn’t think twice about not vaccinating. It was just what we were all to do for our children to keep them free of disease. I never thought the sleepless nights, emergency room visits for seizures, ENT visits and neurologist visits had anything to do with the 8 vaccines my son received in one day. There was absolutely no informed consent and there still is none and this just blows my mind.
I was researching and researching trying to figure out what was wrong with my son then doctors started talking about “autism” concerning my now 19 year old son. I started digging and finding out as much information as I could about autism and then I came across many people questioning vaccines. I still didn’t stop vaccinating.
Even though I was still vaccinating my children I did slow their vaccine schedule down. My decision to stop vaccinating in 2004 happened when my daughter who was around 18 months received a couple vaccines and woke up the next day with no speech and she began walking on her tippy toes. She had at least 20 words and no stemming symptoms prior. My daughter then all of sudden required pre-primary impaired services.
I changed our entire lives at that time. No more vaccines for all four of my kids! I changed their diets and had very expensive blood testing done for my children concerning gut allergies so I knew who could eat what. I also added essential supplements.
Long story short, My daughter made a full recovery. Her older brother did not but he did start talking and we rarely had to go to the doctors anymore. Life became a lot easier.
In 2012, I was scared by my children’s pediatrician that they needed the dtap due to an outbreak of whooping cough. I thought they are old enough it shouldn’t hurt them. Once again we ended up at doctor after doctor with my son that has autism. We ended back up at the neurologists and psychiatrists. Up until this point my son was able to be medication free. [name redacted] started spinning out of control and then they did an MRI where they found a golf ball size cyst in the midline of sons brain with absolutely no answer except to say it has probably been there most of his life but something recently must have aggravated the cyst. Smh ????? On December 10th of 2018 my son had to undergo brain surgery at the University of Michigan.
During this same time shortly after the vaccine in 2012 my now typical developing daughter became very depressed and was showing extreme signs of ADHD.
Both are doing better now but I did fire the pediatrician they had from birth. [name redacted] will always have severe issues and I am under so much stress daily because I have a now 2 year old who has never been vaccinated. I have 5 kids total. 21,19,16,15 and 2. My two oldest fully vaccinated with Autism, Allergies, Asthma, OCD and ADHD. Partially vaccinated, my middle children- ear problems when they were little and like I said possibly adhd and regression after vaccines…but my daughter is doing better now.
My youngest OMG! Nothing and no vaccines! Watching her grow up so healthy is something I have never seen before. Absolutely no developmental issues whatsoever! One antibiotic so far and that was because she got a staff infection on her finger and a couple viruses nothing odd. It’s beautiful watching her thrive but at the same time I cannot stand myself for being misinformed about the possible consequences of vaccines.
I am scared every single day now I am going to wake up and vaccines are going to be mandatory and either way I lose my 2 year old.
To those who are borderline on this matter please know we didn’t just research we witnessed!!
And here are some replies to this post:
You did what most of us Mothers did… trusted your Pediatrician. Unfortunately, most Doctors don’t know any better or if they do, they’re too afraid to speak out or they’re just as corrupt as the CDC. I feel for you. My one and only child was vaccinated until 2 years old. He got very sick after his 12 month vaccines. Then ended up in the hospital around 15 months. That is when he lost all speech and started showing signs of autism. After a year of speech and occupational therapy and not much change, he was diagnosed with autism just before his 3rd birthday. After getting him into a better therapy program, he’s made so much progress in just a few months. We’re still looking for ways to detox him, but getting him to eat healthy food is almost impossible. He’s starting food therapy this month while we look for other ways to help him. Thank you for sharing your story!
I believe it. 5 kids here. 1st fully vaccinated kid has most problems and last totally unvaccinated and NO issues. I witnessed.
Beautiful and heartfelt. I have the same story. I wish I didn’t.
Fox news just had a Doctor on selling the vaccines. I thought thay had a knowledgeable team research or are thay afraid to tell the other side?
I just watched that too. I was disappointed on their stance.
Thank you for sharing!!!?…my son too stopped making any kind of sound for two weeks after just one shot…this is the second experience I’ve read on here today with that as part of the side effects…I had started to believe I was crazy to notice that with my son, but no, it was real…I had a friend warn me just a week before I was about to give birth to him about the dangers of vaccines & I know that is the only reason why his injuries were not worse, before that I was completely clueless to the risks…after researching the dangers & the combo from that & the pressure from his pediatrician I agreed to space them out, but I regret the few I let them do…makes me angry doctors, the media are so pushy and the vaccine companies have zero liability for what they do to our babies. Thank you again for sharing!!!? You have a beautiful family ??
Its like you took a page of my life and spoke to everyone here. I wish I could say something that’s makes this better.. Its so incredibly sad at times, I blame myself a lot.. Looking at my beautiful son, and wondering what he would have been like. I do my best to make sure he is very happy.. Its all I know how to do. God bless you and your beautiful family.
The warriors momma bears are roaring and they’re gonna hear us all roar! ThankYou for sharing your story and being apart of this movement!
I too see a difference between my three older and three younger children. The older ones are fully vaccinated the middle ones partially and the last one who is also 2 is not vaccinated and is amazing! I’ve never witnessed this kind of intelligence and verbal skills in any of my other children.
I asked in the vaccine skeptic group for accounts of people who used to be pro-vax doctors or pharmacists who later became alarmed at what they saw and switched to the vaccine skeptic side.
I got the following replies:
- Dr. Bob Zajac is a board-certified pediatrician with additional expertise in asthma/allergy care, developmental/behavioral pediatric care, and natural/holistic care. He received his degree is Child Development,and pursued an additional four years of training in a PhD program (Early Childhood Special Education), followed by his medical degree (MD- University of Minnesota-2000) and residency training (pediatrics 2000-2003). Prior to starting New Kingdom Pediatrics, Dr. Bob completed his master’s of business degree (MBA, Crown College, 2011-2013). “I was a vaccine bully”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJRUdY9l3E - Dr. Suzanne Humphries-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZ0fsYRmYA - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDg7CUh53ys - Dr. Nancy Banks-
http://bit.ly/1Ip0aIm - Dr. Russell Blaylock-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5xHV8_Njfc - Dr. Shiv Chopra-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDg490zBsmU&t=3s - Dr. Larry Palevsky-
http://bit.ly/1LLEjf6 - Dr. Tony Bark-
http://bit.ly/1CYM9RB - Dr. Merly Nass-
http://bit.ly/1DGzJsc - Dr. Raymond Obomsawin-
http://bit.ly/1G9ZXYl - Dr. Robert Rowen-
http://bit.ly/1SIELeF - Dr. David Ayoub-
http://bit.ly/1SIELve - Dr. Bob Haley PhD-
http://bit.ly/1KsdVby - Dr. Rashid Buttar-
http://bit.ly/1gWOkL6 - Dr. Roby Mitchell-
http://bit.ly/1gdgEZU - Dr. Ken Stoller-
http://bit.ly/1MPVqLI - Dr. Mayer Einstein-
http://bit.ly/2IpHbBC - Dr. Frank Engley PhD-
http://bit.ly/1OHbLDI - Dr. David Davis-
http://bit.ly/1gdgJwo - Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych-
http://bit.ly/16Z7k6J
https://www.jchristoff.com/medical-doctors-and-phd-scientists-speak-out-against-vaccinations-2/
Pharmacy tech of 20 years here. I was as pro vax as they came. Got my flu shot every year (even while pregnant with all 3 kids), dtap during pregnancy, vaccinated all my kids on time, every time. UNTIL my daughter regressed after her 4 month shots (that I was bullied into getting after expressing my hesitancy post the 2 month round). She stopped making eye contact. Stopped babbling. No laughing or smiling, hardly any interaction with anyone. She was lost inside her own head. She is 22 months and non-verbal, but i am seeing some progress in that area as well as others. We have been detoxing her since last Sept and have seen some real improvements.
I didn’t go back to pharmacy work after she was born. I couldn’t. There’s no way I’d have been able to keep quiet as reports of “vaccine-eligible” customers were compiled based solely on their age (we did adult vaccines ie:pneumonia, shingles, flu, etc) and insurance coverage (because they certainly want to get paid with no issue) and absolutely no consideration of their medications or health conditions. Looking back now it’s hard to assuage the guilt I feel for not only playing a part in my own daughter’s injury, but also encouraging (read: scaring) people to get their shots, and fast!
same here. I let my license of 15 years go.
Looks like Brooklyn is now issuing forced vaccination edicts: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/nyregion/measles-vaccination-williamsburg.html
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
EDIT- in Kentucky
Hey everyone! So I just got a call from my daughters school that they do not have record of her second hep a dose (they don’t because after my husband and I got custody of her we stopped vaccinating her) and that if she didn’t get it that she would not be allowed to participate in field trips or extra curricular activities. Are they allowed to do that?! I’m so upset. I am getting the religious exemption notarized today and turning it in AGAIN. But what would you all do in this situation? I do not want my daughter to be excluded and it’s completely unfair to her. She already has a hard enough time making friends.
And yet another post:
Today took husband to doctor to follow up and when we were updating his information on the iPad they use a page came up that hasn’t been there before because I just did mine a few weeks ago a vaccination page for you to sign up to be put on national database even ask for mother’s maiden name it’s strictly voluntary right now and of course I walked up and told them I choose to opt out because it wouldn’t let me move to next page and they were confused so I educated ever so nicely and told them once again we will not do this and so they removed it but think how many won’t know they have a choice so their starting to put feelers out which is one if the bills they introduced in Texas where I am
Here are the replies to this post:
National registration has begun. You are right. It is voluntary for the moment.
exactly I was shocked I ask when they added and she said its been there and I said hell no it hasn’t cause I was just here two weeks ago
I saw this too when taking my daughter for her yearly physical- the pedi recently changed offices and while updating info, I noticed this came up as well.
My adult medical records use a system called My Chart. The vaccine section is flagged as out of compliance and I am not able to delete, only date completed. Sure does appear like adult mandatory vaccinations are in the future.
It’s ‘strictly voluntary RIGHT NOW’ is the bottom line…they obviously will move forward with it and it won’t continue to be voluntary. We already do not qualify for decent discounts on our health insurance because we refuse to participate in their ‘wellness’ program, which requires us to speak to a nurse regularly and provide all sorts of personal information and ‘wellness’ visits. Nope.
Wow, thank you for posting. Have been watching for what you have already experienced.
Right now that’s also voluntary but it means we have to pay more than someone who participates. And it’s enough money that most would not feel they could choose. It’s a very involved and intrusive process as well. My husband started out willing to participate to save money but got angry the more involved it became.
Here is a tyrannical bill from Colorado, HB 1312:
The bill requires the department of public health and environment (department) to:
Develop a standardized form and submission process to claim a medical exemption to an immunization; and
Develop a standardized form and submission process to claim a religious or personal belief exemption to an immunization.
The department is:
Required to develop educational materials regarding immunizations to distribute to health care providers and facilities;
Required to present immunization exemption information during its annual SMART Act hearing; and
Required to use the existing immunization tracking system.
The state board of health is:
Required to promulgate rules adopting the medical exemption recommendations from the advisory committee on immunization practices of the centers for disease control and prevention in the federal department of health and human services, or any successor entity (ACIP);
Required to promulgate rules adopting the immunization recommendations from the ACIP;
Allowed to promulgate rules adopting additional immunizations not recommended by ACIP; and
Allowed to promulgate rules establishing the timing by which schools, parents, legal guardians, and students must demonstrate compliance with immunization requirements.
Concerning the immunization tracking system, the bill:
Requires a licensed physician, physician assistant, or advanced practice nurse to inform a parent or legal guardian who is claiming a medical exemption that he or she may choose to exclude the student’s immunization information from the immunization tracking system before the student’s immunization data is sent to the immunization tracking system;
Requires the department or local or county, district, or municipal public health agency to inform a parent, legal guardian, or student who is claiming a religious or personal belief exemption that he or she may choose to exclude the student’s immunization information from the immunization tracking system before the student’s immunization data is sent to the immunization tracking system; and
Requires a practitioner who is a licensed physician, physician assistant, or advanced practice nurse to submit immunization and medical exemption data to the immunization tracking system. However, the practitioner is not subject to a regulatory sanction for noncompliance.
http://leg.colorado.gov/bills/HB19-1312
Here are some posts from the vaccine skeptic group in reply to a post, that, unfortunately, had images with social media posts with people’s names in it not blocked out, so I’m reluctant to share the images in case the powers that be go after these people, but the essence was that one person said that the doctor accidentally gave them the insurance vaccines despite them being uninsured and hence gave them the “wrong” vaccine and was billing them $700 for it. And somebody else replied that it was true and that they had two vaccines in the refrigerator at work and that it depended on the insurance of what vaccine they received:
Private insurances and government insurances receive two different vaccines. The same, but i think private are made more thoroughly or something. No clue.
I had a nurse friend that told me some years ago they were doing this.
I have a nurse friend who not really questioned me about not vaccinating my daughter. But she did state something about “it’s needed and i should consider it”. She hasnt been in the field long but i find it interesting that she wouldn’t inform me. But it’s more of my job to stay informed for my own child’s safety.
it’s possible she is naive and doesn’t realize the possible implications? This society and generation are taught to implicitly follow the lead of the medical field without thinking things through or searching.
This is true. I have a friend that went in for an appointment and as sent home because they only had “insurance” vaccines.
I didnt even think anything of it back then other than that that was stupid.
They arent wrong. That’s part of the agenda but they really just want us all dead
i really think this is true. Before we knew the truth we went to a pediatrician who told us they didn’t have the ones we needed in stock and would have to go to the health department. That wasn’t true… they just didn’t have the ones for kids on Medicaid.
Testing… People who pays get the good ones.. That is why they keep them in “lots” which are sent to be administrated to determinated neighborhoods and determinated ethnic groups
The city of Washington DC has a bill out that would allow kids to go and get themselves vaccinated without parental consent: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/dc-bill-would-give-teens-the-power-to-vaccinate-without-parental-consent/65-bb6599f2-e858-4e31-bba3-f7ed41b816f3
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Just heard the most disgusting form of propaganda on the radio (I’m in SoCal) and even my husband (who isn’t as opposed to vaccinations as I am) agreed that it was laughable and sounded like a commercial trying to sell something!
To quote this ridiculous PSA- the mother says to the father “aww, do you remember when she (baby) got her first vaccination at birth?” ?? Like it’s the sweetest memory they have of their child as an infant! It closes with saying that vaccines are her “best shot” (get it?)
IT BOILS MY BLOOD that they’re promoting it like it’s a trip to the happiest place on earth meanwhile so many children suffer death and damage from these shots AND THEY KNOW IT! ??
And another post:
I was watching an old “Leave It To Beaver” rerun last weekend and in the episode, Beaver is invited to a party so he called up his friend to see if he was going. After he hung up the phone, his brother Wally asked Beaver if his friend was going to the party and Beaver nonchalantly answered “No he can’t go. He has the measles.” And that was it. They went onto something else. No horrific or alarming responses, no comments about vaccinations, and no sorrowful looks on their faces. Just a reason why a friend couldn’t attend a party. What has happened in our society to make measles look like such a deadly disease when it really isn’t??
Here is another post from this group:
Wow, sad that even conservative radio is pushing vax and agreeing there is no link between vax and autism. I guess I just thought they would be more open minded but Ben Shapiro just made disturbing push for mmr and Rush Limbaugh has parroted the same. If major conservative voices wont even be open minded and admit vast corruption of CDC etc etc, just makes me feel like the fight is even harder.
And here are the replies to this post:
Ben is a hopeless cause because he thinks he already knows it all, but I believe Rush could be educated…we all need to help him know the truth.
In the end they will follow the money. This needs to fasttrack to the SCOTUS
Hopefully they’d rule correctly but what if they didn’t?
Then citizens must unite in mass noncompliance.
Ben Shapiro’s wife is a pediatrician….
Was very disappointed in rush. And during all this news of mandating vaccines all conservatives talk about is Russian collusion and trump.
I’ve been legitimately shocked at how many fellow conservatives are ok with forced vaccination. It’s like their brains won’t engage with the fact that there couldn’t be a more dangerous precedent to give the government. If they’re able to get people on board with forced vaccination due to a measles “scare”, what happens in a couple generations when they fear-monger about over-population? Forced birth control? I don’t get how people can’t see two steps down the line.
Forced euthanasia
I marvel at the short-sightedness, too. It’s like they can’t see past their noses.
Me too. You can’t claim to be a conservative or libertarian and be for small govt and in the next breath be for forced vaccination. How can you say that you think marijuana should be legal and the govt shouldn’t interfere if people want to use drugs – even if it harms them. But then say we shouldn’t have the choice to chance getting measles and chicken pox???? Everyone is bought. On both sides. Deep state or Big Pharma. They all are in someone’s pocket. Yes, I know. My tin foil hat probably needs adjusting.
Unfortunately, Glenn Beck is not really on our side either. I really hoped he would see the light.
Michale Savage is on the Vax train too, as is Matt Walsh. I haven’t heard Michael Knowles or Mark Levin say anything about vaccines.
And here is another post from this group:
I’m wondering why the health insurance companies care so much about if a child is vaccinated? A friend got a call from her insurance asking why her child hadn’t been vaccinated ….can anyone explain how they benefit from a child being vaccinated…apparently they do or they wouldn’t care right?
And here are the replies to this post:
Money they are all getting kick backs friend
Even without kickbacks or rebates there are incentives in the affordable care act for preventive medicine. The more disease is prevented the more favorable treatment given to insurance companies by the government. This includes subsidies for preventive care outreach and affects the formulas used to justify/approve premiums. Plus preventive care has become theft bread and butter to medical care reimbursements.
Its another way so they can get out of paying for healthcare if you become ill and are not vaxxed then you won’t have coverage.
Because they all get money if you vaccinate your child(en). The more you vaccinate the more they get. I saw where some doctors get $20,000 from the ins company for so many vaccinations done. ??
BCBS offers $40,000 for every fully vaccinated child if the doctor is able to have a percentage of vaccine compliance for all their patients regardless of what insurance they all have.
My boys have Medicaid for vision and dental they call me and send me reminder cards that my kids are missing their scheduled shots. It’s all about money!! I just ignore them.
I’ve got letters from my insurance stating that if child had all of her vaccines by 18 months I would get $80 from them. Really, $80?!?
Here is a post from Shannon Joy:
‘’Anti-Vaccine Japan Has World’s Lowest Child Death Rate & Highest Life Expectancy Fact: Japan has the lowest infant mortality rate following ban on mandatory vaccinations, they urge other countries to follow this firm stance …’
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Way to go Missouri! https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox2now.com/2019/04/08/missouri-considers-bill-to-bar-discrimination-for-not-vaccinating/amp/
Looks like the American Medical Assocation had written Big Tech asking them to censor us. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-urges-tech-giants-combat-vaccine-misinformation
Maine has a bill that would remove a bunch of vaccine exemptions and require children to be vaccinated before they could attend school: https://wgme.com/news/local/maine-bill-would-require-children-to-be-vaccinated-before-they-go-to-school
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Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Just got this paper from my daughters school today. 😡 We live in Southern California. The law hasn’t even passed and they’re saying the state won’t accept any waivers!!! Going to stop comments. We now know theres a difference and I went cray cray when I got this form from school today. Off to try and get a medical exemption for my daughter that has Hashimoto’s. Thanks!!!
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And another post from this group:
If you’re Delivering a baby at Torrance memorial in California, be prepared for the staff at Labor and Delivery. I’m so disappointed. It all started because I explained to my sister in law the use of pitocin and she decided that she did not want it. She told this to the nurse and they STILL hooked it up to her. Later the nurse came in and credited the progress of her contractions to the pitocin, unaware that my sister in law removed the pitocin IV from her arm as soon as she read the label on the bag after they hooked it up. So when I told the nurse that it’s not even hooked up she said oh that’s so rare (that her contractions are progressing without it) and I told her she already said she didn’t want it. Then after numerous attempts at trying to get my sister in law to vaccinate her newborn the nurse told the other nurse “you deal with her” this same nurse laughed in me & my mother in laws face when we were talking about the autism topic saying “haha oh that’s been debunked” Then when her lactation consultant came in while she was having trouble latching because of inverted nipples the LACTATION CONSULTANT told her to “get some similac”. Im guessing they discussed my sister in law and each situation amongst themselves cause I can’t seem to find any other reason three different professionals at a hospital would treat her like that. I’m just disgusted right now.
They were also sarcastic and treated us as if we were uneducated fools. I have heard so many great things about this hospital and our experiences with ALL other staff was great. So I’m very disappointed to have to give this review.
And here are the replies to said post:
it’s happening everywhere. Don’t let the staff take baby anywhere out of sight. They will vaccinate baby when you’re not looking.
That’s absolutely unacceptable! My mom has been a labor and delivery nurse for 20 plus years. She nor her dept here would ever treat someone like that. Plus with my preemie my lactation consultant was amazing at helping me avoid formula.
I’m so sorry she had this experience. I’m glad she has a supportive sister in law.
I delivered my two sons there, everything they did was awful. Now my first son has autism, they vaccinated him without my consent, I asked why, they said when I was admitted in the yellow paper it says I consent to anything they want. So yes! I didn’t know they made me sign without even reading, like I was going to read while I was in labor pains
I was a CNA for 5 years at a Rehab hospital. It was RARE, IF EVER, that a nurse, RN, took the side of a patient, ANY patient, over the doctor or supervisor. I worked 40+ hours a week, in the nitty gritty of a REHAB hospital with very, very sick, saddened and distraught, confused patients of so many kinds. Stroke, heart attack, hip, knee, and shoulder replacement patients, dementia and 600+ pound obese patients. But people, none the less. Strangely, the ONLY ones who treated them like PEOPLE was Us, The Techs, the CNAs who listened to their pain, and agony, and sadness at how they WEREN’T listened to, or helped or stuck up for by their doctor, let alone their nurse. It DIDN’T happen. In 5 plus years. So don’t try to dismiss me as if I don’t know FIRSTHAND how nurses are PUPPETS for the doctors. I know. I lived it.
where I live in Bellingham, WA both drs and nurses are complete pos’s. They do not help their patients, they are judge mental and try to push their opinions/agendas. They refuse to treat you bc of their judgements- it never has anything to do with the actual issue at hand. They lie, lie, lie. It’s really bad here. Most offices are part of a monopoly that basically runs this town medically- it’s a Catholic based agenda (no offense to anyone that is Catholic- everyone has a right to their beliefs) so they do not allow you to make choices for yourself or your family unless it is in accord with their beliefs. The hospital here drugged my newborn with morphine for 9 days and she was so high her eyes were rolling back in her head bc I have very severe chronic pain and was absolutely miserable from about 6 months on and about two weeks or so before I was due I had taken a single pain pill and told my dr. She had me go straight to the hospital and they induced. They let my epidural bag run dry while I napped and of course they ua’d me and there was only a trace amount so they took blood from my baby and sent it to another state’s lab (OR) for testing although they had their own facilities. The test took over the 9 days she was doped up and came back negative of course. I believe it was day 6 when I saw her eyes (we weren’t allowed to stay with our child) and I told the nurse on duty that if they didn’t get my daughter off of the dope I was calling a lawyer and pressing charges bc she was obviously high! I was livid!!! Still am and she’ll be 8 at the end of the month. She is ADHD (as is her dad) and I often wonder if it is bc of the drugs they forced on her from birth. Their reasoning was that bc she sneezed multiple times in a row off and on that she was going through withdrawals! She still sneezes no less than 5/6 times every single time she sneezes! So they’re obviously full of shit as 8 years later she wouldn’t be going through withdrawals lol. No lawyer in this county will touch St. Joe’s Hospital bc they run this town and they all work together. It’s absolutely sickening! But the nurses are the worst…..
This attitude is so much more common than you think! Happens all the time. I have 15 grandchildren and been present to see and hear this type of unprofessionalism.
I’ll just say. I’m thankful that I’m low risk and can do home births. I did two hospitals and two out of hospitals.
Doctors, nurses and hospital staff too often treat patients like ignorants, low class citizens with the IQ of dandelions and incapable of making any kind of decisions.
And oftentimes you won’t know this till birth time and it’s too late. And yes. They can and often times call CPS on you if you refuse to vaccinate your newborn at birth.
Very similar experience in Santa Maria, CA at Marian Medical, actually even worse. Ours ended with a cop posted at our door. 5 years later still makes me sick to think of it.
why’d you have a cop outside your door?!
just for intimidation, when my wife was ready to leave the hospital they brought in the cops to stop her from leaving. Also they brought in the cops when I refused to give them a blood sample from my daughter for the state’s database. They also tried to give my daughter a SSN without our consent. When we first got the thospitol the first thing they wanted to do if get an IV in my wife’s arm, she said not thank you and it never stopped after that. We were treated with disdain from that moment on. And funny enough, we were probably the only people in the ward who was actually paying to be there. Santa Maria is famous for having illegal immigrant anchor babies.
Never leave a new mom alone, as they will LIE to her. They lied to my daughter to try to get her to vax the new baby, but she’s a very strong woman, even after delivery, so they got nothing over on her. The sooner you get OUT of those places, the better. Oh…and the ONLY reason for a “well baby” visit is to push vaccines.
This was about two years ago in Germany. This “get the measles vaccine or pay a fine” trend appears to be global.
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
I just got asked to leave our pediatrician’s office because of not agreeing to do the MMR (their policy is to have it done by age 2 or it’s goodbye). I told the doctor that on top of not being ok with the risks mentioned in the manufacturer’s insert that that I also had a religious objection because of the vaccines having been developed with the use of aborted fetal cells. I told him that every ingredients list I have seen mentions the presence of traces of DNA from those aborted fetus’ and I would feel like a hypocrite if I said ok to those vaccines. He said that this was wrong and there are no actual traces of these aborted fetal cell DNA in the vaccine. Can anyone please tell me what the truth is on this matter?
And here are the replies to this post:
The age 2 is telling. If the majority of their patients get ALL the CDC recommended vaccines by age 2 they get $400 for each child. Most Peds have many patients so their yearly bonus is in thousands. That is why he said age 2. It is all about the money and also under the law you can’t sue if the vaccine were to hurt your child.
Go find a family practice they’re not nearest pushy with vaccines
Your doctor is lying to try and manipulate you to have the shots, most doctors don’t have a clue about vaccines, as soon as they really do, they either give informed choice or deceive patients and parents for pure greed.
I love Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on her vaccine 101 talk.
She says,
So you have been kicked out your pediatricians practice, well it’s probably the best thing that could have happened to you!
Also – they work for us, not the other way around. We need to stand up for ourselves so they stop getting away with this crap.
And yet another post from this group:
I had an appt scheduled to try and get my girls medical exemptions and the doctors office just called and said that as of July 1, 2019 they will no longer be accepting family history as a reason for exemption. She said he just got the call this morning. We are in California. Anybody heard this? Are the misinformed?
And another post from here:
Here’s a 1889 book you’ll want to check out.
It’s titled “VACCINATION Proved Useless & Dangerous – From Forty-Five Years of Registration Statistics”
Here’s the link to download the entire book if anyone would like to read it! Spread the news. Do NOT let people try to FORCE you to get vaccinations.
And yet another post:
I was just informed my daughter was vaccinated without my permission and I am LIVID..I literally signed every refusal paper as soon as I found out i was going to have her in that hospital. I just recently moved to another city and they requested her records, and the lady told me they havent sent over anything besides her hep b vaccination! I said WHAT FUCKING HEP B VACCINATION?! I was totally unaware! Is there anything I can do legally, it even says in her discharge paperwork that i declined ALL vaccines! I dont care if she had a reaction to it or not, who the fuck do these people think they are to vaccinate my child after I said no?! Sorry for the profanity, but i am literally on fire right now it’s hard for me to even type this post my hands are shaking so bad! PLEASE HELP WITH ANYTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THIS MATTER..THANK YOU IN ADVANCE ?????
And some replies to this post:
That’s what they do and have been doing. Any person going in to a hospital now, needs to protect themselves and watch their child every minute. Do not allow them to go in another room under any pretense, with your child. It’s all in the word “biologics” ,when you step in to a hospital. They have used the word biologics, to do what they “deem neccessary” as part of your care, and of course you sign when going in to the hospital. “biologics” include blood transfusions and other, plus vaccines. If you have an unethical nurse or doctor- look out, many vigilante’s.
I have a feeling Dr.’s are putting it on peoples records and then extinguishing that particular shot in gauze. This way even though someone refuses it they can report it as a shot given and put it in THEIR records so they can get the kick back for it. Or it’s habbit.
I am going through the exact same thing with my oldest right now. He got the Hep B even though I told everyone that he was not to get it. Problem is, I did not find out until almost 7 years later and the statute of limitations seems to be 4 years.
Even if it was a mistake,
they do need to be held accountable for falsifying medical records.
Our patient visit papers from that dr always said no vaccinations, but the state vaccine records and the records sent to his new pediatrician says he received hep b. Makes me wonder if they tried to cover it up.
They did that to me too and my daughter was born premature and is now autistic. Scored fine before they forceably injected her. Sue them for malpractice. Get a lawyer
Most likely she did not actually get it. Medical transcription are often incorrect because there are “standards” that are put on the bills and notes and unless the transcriptionist notices the decline paperwork, it’s just “assumed” that they/you got the “standards”. You might have her titter tested to see if she might have actually gotten it.
I was just told by someone at the hospital she was born that all of their records indicate I declined and she was not given the hep b vaccine..I still requested copies of her record so I can see for myself. It has to be a mistake because her actual pediatrician she went to (chop) did not administer her any vaccines not even her 2 month shots and she never left my sight. At this point I’m hoping it just an error because it says it was given to her the day she was born but she didnt go to her pediatrician until a week later..
did this happen in a hospital? they are almost required to ‘catch kids up’ (an opportunity) regardless of parent’s wants…i hear threatening to sue for MEDICAL BATTERY might work to keep them off..but they are surely on the road to thinking parents don’t know what is best for their kids and will do it anyway…the state stepping in, so to speak. THAT is the argument for all the growing number of mandates…
yes, it happened at a hospital, and they are saying their record indicate I declined and it wasn’t given to her.. they had no problem with me declining and gave me the refusal papers, no questions asked.. I really hope this is a mistake
Sorry for your experience.
?THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO MY 33 WEEK PREEMIE?
Vaccinated with Hep B against my wishes. She DIDN’T even meet the Manufacturers specified weight for that shot. Anyone born <2500g SHOULD NOT receive Hep B. My daughter was 2040g at birth. They anticipated a reaction. They brought in the Crash Cart “just in case”, and despite my CLEAR objection & protest, they vaccinated her.
It’s been 4 years and I’m still now pursuing legal action with the hospital who administered the shot.
She has not had a SINGLE shot since that day, but she is on the Autism spectrum.
I believe vaccines work (in some newborn babies brains) the way Thalidomide poisoned fetuses in utero. It didn’t matter if their Mom took1,000 pills, or just 1. A single capsule during pregnancy was all it took to disfigure their child.
Vaccine Injury is similar. It can be 100 shots, or just 1, but once the damage is done, it’s done.
Unfortunately I’ve researched into this because I thought the hospital did this to my daughter and you cannot legally sue or anything unless you have proof the vaccine hurt your child severely
She may have not been vaccinated and the hospital committed insurance fraud to get more money, saying they administered something they in fact didn’t. Also a possibility. I hope that’s the case.
The same thing happened to me with my first ;( (at kaiser) i had no idea until his 3rd peds “well baby” check and saw his records ??. He was born not even crying and was the calmest baby and by the first night he was screaming all night long and didn’t stop for 3 months and we just thought it was colic until I found out. ??????
Also what is happening to parents rights being respected. What is happening to America land that I love!
This happened with my son… I told them I was waiting on hep b til he was older. Found out at his drs office that it was in his med records that they gave it to him! I was livid and didnt know what to do (the NICU nurse also told me he gets his circumcision (when I didnt know much on that topic) at the drs office and when I asked the office they looked at me like I was stupid because they NEVER do that ???????)
I declined the MMR for my daughter (now waiting on an autism evaluation NYS won’t give unless I get her caught up on her vaccines, after declining my religious exemption)
When I pulled her vaccination records from her former pedi, the records she she did in fact have the MMR, regardless of me declining it.
I’d like to believe that they just enter that info routinely and forgot to take the MMR off but I doubt it.
And another post from this group:
I worked with an Acupuncturist and she specialized in pediatric cancer. I realized that all I was seeing were vaccine injured babies and children. No one made the connection. When I would bring up the possibility of our patients being vaccine injured I was quickly shut off and was ask not to bring it up. I wanted to tell every parent that their child was injured by vaccines. We even had a few patients whose parents were Doctors and none of them made the connection.
And another post from this group:
I am terrified, absolutely terrified… My son is Vaccine injured, with what I thought was from the MMR, it wasn’t, it was from the DTAP, I didn’t realize it until I received a letter in the mail about him not receiving the MMR, I was not aware of all the danger’s of Vaccines but now I am fully aware and thankful to all of you for your help on shedding light on this outrage!! I will certainly not get him his MMR shot, I have seen some of the mother’s posts about receiving shots and the next day or so their sweet angels have passed away. My question is this please I am not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to diseases, but since I refuse the MMR if my son does get the Measles by chance the thing that I am terrified over is him getting encephalitis from it… I don’t know if that is a rare occurrence or if it actually happens a lot. Some one told me vitamin A if he gets Measles. So how much would I give him where can I find it in liquid form and is this encephalitis a huge problem with Measles or am I still trapped in the fear mongering game. I have to go to work but if anyone could please leave some information about all of this it would be greatly appreciated I need to put my mind at ease because I will never vaccinate him again. Thank you all in advance ????
And some replies to this post:
My daughter got encephalitis from her MMR. She is permanently disabled and in a care facility and in diapers unable to speak at age 17. Was perfectly developed and normal and talking and walking and singing until the day after she got her vaccines.
Dtap did it for us too…ugh
the DTAP messed me all up too… I didn’t know at the time.
Your parents generation and all the generations before them had all these normal childhood illnesses! Only considered deadly once Big Pharma came out with money making vaccines! Yes they could be deadly in third world countries and places with bad sanitation or lack of nutrition. I had measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox! No one I ever grew up with had any complications! My children had chicken pox and definitely ran high fevers and had spots but no permanent damage…..unlike the damage my son got from his baby shot. Wish I never vaccinated them!
In the Dtap insert it has SIDS as an adverse reaction. They blame it on a sleep position. Some parents have gone to jail for shaken baby syndrome rather than blame a vaccine.
A pro-Vax Nazi MN group mentioned this bill. I think we should look into this:
A bill for an act
relating to health; establishing a grant program to fund immunization-related
activities for geographic areas and populations experiencing or at risk of
experiencing an outbreak of a vaccine-preventable disease; appropriating money.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:
Section 1. TARGETED GRANT PROGRAM TO ADDRESS OUTBREAKS OF
VACCINE-PREVENTABLE DISEASES.
Subdivision 1. Grant program established. The commissioner of health shall establish
and administer a two-year, targeted grant program to fund immunization-related activities
to address outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases and lower the risk of outbreaks of
vaccine-preventable diseases in communities with low immunization rates. Grant recipients
shall use grant funds to provide immunization information and education to, and engage in
immunization awareness and support activities with, individuals in geographic areas or
populations experiencing or at risk of experiencing an outbreak of a vaccine-preventable
disease. Entities eligible for grants under this section are community health boards, as
defined in Minnesota Statutes, section 145A.02, subdivision 5, and community-based
nonprofit organizations experienced in serving geographic areas or populations experiencing
or at risk of experiencing an outbreak of a vaccine-preventable disease.
Subd. 2. Application. Entities seeking a grant under this section shall apply to the
commissioner in a form and manner and according to timelines established by the
commissioner. The application must include a complete description of the
immunization-related activities the entity proposes, the geographic area or population to be
served, the amount of funding sought, and a proposed budget detailing how the funds will
be spent.
Subd. 3. Information and education materials; content. The commissioner must
develop or provide grant recipients with culturally competent information and educational
materials on immunizations, based on materials available from the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention. The information and educational materials must be available in the
primary languages of the populations experiencing or at risk of experiencing a
vaccine-preventable disease outbreak and must at least address:
(1) the benefits of immunizations to individuals and communities;
(2) health information about the safety of immunizations;
(3) the recommended schedules of immunizations for children, adolescents, and adults;
(4) programs that provide free or reduced-cost immunizations to eligible individuals;
and
(5) health clinics, health care providers, and other locations at which individuals may
obtain immunizations.
Sec. 2. APPROPRIATION.
$……. in fiscal year 2020 is appropriated from the general fund to the commissioner of
health for the targeted grant program to address outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases
under section 1. This is a onetime appropriation and is available until June 30, 2021.
And yet another post that was shared in this group that was from a sinister group called Minnesota Childhood Immunization Coalition:
Parents are not employers in the doctor-patient-caretaker triad. Both providers and parents have responsibility to keep children healthy using the standard of care. Children are not the property of parents.
And here are the replies to this post:
My child is 100% my responsibility and 0% theirs. If I need to hire them to stitch a wound, that’s where their rights and responsibilities begin and end. At this point in American history, I am here to protect him from them and they can fuck off in chemical hell.
Uhm my child isn’t the healthcare providers property either ?? however I am the one who will have to deal with it if my child gets injured from a drug or medical procedure. Is the doctor going to pay for the medical expenses? Pay for the funeral expenses if my child dies? Cater to my childs every need if they become paralyzed from a vaccine? No, that’ll be me and my husband. This is ridiculous.
This is terrible. So the Doc gets to decide everything??? What does parent mean?? Not they are not my property, they are MY responsibility. NOT THE DOCS OR THE GOVERNMENTS. If i was unfit and lot my kids then and only then would they be a ward of the state. NOT BEFORE>
CPS opened a case against my family 5 years ago and in a team meeting with them…hand to God….a case worker said to us, “you may think your children belong to you but they don’t. They actually belong to America.” We were dumbstruck. This is the direction our country is headed.
This is what’s on its way to a clinic/hospital near you. After that, adult mandated vaccines where they state that your physical bodies do not belong to you, but to the state.
While trying to find supporters of mandatory vaccination on DuckDuckGo,I found something good for a change that somehow came up in the search query. It turned up a doctor group supporting parental rights over mandatory vaccinations. They’re called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
They wrote:
To: Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee, House Energy and Commerce Committee
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
Re: Statement federal vaccine mandates
Feb. 26, 2019
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) strongly opposes federal interference in medical decisions, including mandated vaccines. After being fully informed of the risks and benefits of a medical procedure, patients have the right to reject or accept that procedure. The regulation of medical practice is a state function, not a federal one. Governmental preemption of patients’ or parents’ decisions about accepting drugs or other medical interventions is a serious intrusion into individual liberty, autonomy, and parental decisions about child-rearing.
A public health threat is the rationale for the policy on mandatory vaccines. But how much of a threat is required to justify forcing people to accept government-imposed risks? Regulators may intervene to protect the public against a one-in-one million risk of a threat such as cancer from an involuntary exposure to a toxin, or-one-in 100,000 risk from a voluntary (e.g. occupational) exposure. What is the risk of death, cancer, or crippling complication from a vaccine? There are no rigorous safety studies of sufficient power to rule out a much higher risk of complications, even one in 10,000, for vaccines. Such studies would require an adequate number of subjects, a long duration (years, not days), an unvaccinated control group (“placebo” must be truly inactive such as saline, not the adjuvant or everything-but-the-intended-antigen), and consideration of all adverse health events (including neurodevelopment disorders).
Vaccines are necessarily risky, as recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court and by Congress. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid some $4 billion in damages, and high hurdles must be surmounted to collect compensation. The damage may be so devastating that most people would prefer restored function to a multimillion-dollar damage award.
The smallpox vaccine is so dangerous that you can’t get it now, despite the weaponization of smallpox. Rabies vaccine is given only after a suspected exposure or to high-risk persons such as veterinarians. The whole-cell pertussis vaccine was withdrawn from the U.S. market, a decade later than from the Japanese market, because of reports of severe permanent brain damage. The acellular vaccine that replaced it is evidently safer, though somewhat less effective.
The risk: benefit ratio varies with the frequency and severity of disease, vaccine safety, and individual patient factors. These must be evaluated by patient and physician, not imposed by a government agency.
Measles is the much-publicized threat used to push for mandates, and is probably the worst threat among the vaccine-preventable illnesses because it is so highly contagious. There are occasional outbreaks, generally starting with an infected individual coming from somewhere outside the U.S. The majority, but by no means all the people who catch the measles have not been vaccinated. Almost all make a full recovery, with robust, life-long immunity. The last measles death in the U.S. occurred in 2015, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Are potential measles complications including death in persons who cannot be vaccinated due to immune deficiency a justification for revoking the rights of all Americans and establishing a precedent for still greater restrictions on our right to give—or withhold—consent to medical interventions? Clearly not.
Many serious complications have followed MMR vaccination, and are listed in the manufacturers’ package insert, though a causal relationship may not have been proved. According to a 2012 report by the Cochrane Collaboration, “The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate” (cited by the National Vaccine Information Center).
Mandate advocates often assert a need for a 95% immunization rate to achieve herd immunity. However, Mary Holland and Chase Zachary of NYU School of Law argue, in the Oregon Law Review, that because complete herd immunity and measles eradication are unachievable, the better goal is for herd effect and disease control. The best outcome would result, they argue, from informed consent, more open communication, and market-based approaches.
Even disregarding adverse vaccine effects, the results of near-universal vaccination have not been completely positive. Measles, when it does occur, is four to five times worse than in pre-vaccination times, according to Lancet Infectious Diseases, because of the changed age distribution: more adults, whose vaccine-based immunity waned, and more infants, who no longer receive passive immunity from their naturally immune mother to protect them during their most vulnerable period.
Measles is a vexing problem, and more complete, forced vaccination will likely not solve it. Better public health measures—earlier detection, contact tracing, and isolation; a more effective, safer vaccine; or an effective treatment are all needed. Meanwhile, those who choose not to vaccinate now might do so in an outbreak, or they can be isolated. Immunosuppressed patients might choose isolation in any event because vaccinated people can also possibly transmit measles even if not sick themselves.
Issues that Congress must consider:
Manufacturers are virtually immune from product liability, so the incentive to develop safer products is much diminished. Manufacturers may even refuse to make available a product believed to be safer, such as monovalent measles vaccine in preference to MMR (measles-mumps-rubella). Consumer refusal is the only incentive to do better.
There are enormous conflicts of interest involving lucrative relationships with vaccine purveyors.
Research into possible vaccine adverse effects is being quashed, as is dissent by professionals.
There are many theoretical mechanisms for adverse effects from vaccines, especially in children with developing brains and immune systems. Note the devastating effects of Zika or rubella virus on developing humans, even though adults may have mild or asymptomatic infections. Many vaccines contain live viruses intended to cause a mild infection. Children’s brains are developing rapidly—any interference with the complex developmental symphony could be ruinous.
Vaccines are neither 100% safe nor 100% effective. Nor are they the only available means to control the spread of disease.
AAPS believes that liberty rights are unalienable. Patients and parents have the right to refuse vaccination, although potentially contagious persons can be restricted in their movements (e.g. as with Ebola), as needed to protect others against a clear and present danger. Unvaccinated persons with no exposure to a disease and no evidence of a disease are not a clear or present danger.
AAPS represents thousands of physicians in all specialties nationwide. It was founded in 1943 to protect private medicine and the patient-physician relationship.
Respectfully yours,
Jane M. Orient, M.D., Executive Director
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
My 17 yr old daughter is at the ER. Her sister took her in because I’m an hour n half away with a sick toddler. They just have her a tetanus shot without my permission! Is this legal?
And another post from this group:
Crazy story!
I just spoke with a lady that took her 3 year old child in to the doctor when he was 2 months old..
WE LIVE IN OKLAHOMA BTW
Vaccines are NOT mandatory here
Well she tried to refuse vaccines and the Doctor literally called CPS to the clinic and held them there until she decided to vaccinate
saying “You can leave but the child wont be going with you” (again this is just what I was told)
IS THAT LEGAL?
Has it been to long for her to do something about it?
Isn’t that kidnapping??? Unlawful imprisonment??
She now has a 2 month old daughter and she is scared to death of what’s going to happen if she doesn’t get her vaccinated…
(I believe her story mainly because this is the same doctor that was on call at the hospital when I delivered my second son and tried to push vaccines on me BUT since I can’t be 100% sure that this actually happened I’m not going to release the doctors name to anyone.)
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It’s happening in Oregon now. A friend had CPS show up at their house and do the same thing because the school turned them in for not vaccinating.
I’m in Oklahoma. There are quite a few crunchy doctors around here and wonderful midwives with holistic services. I hope she can find somebody new to visit if that’s her thing. As for the doctor….I’d be reporting the shit out of them until something is done. You may not know the whole story, even if exaggerated….non the less who knows how many other parents have had continuous bad experiences with them, right!! Please report this doctor, expose them, and let’s get their ass kicked to the curb! I so tired of these jerks thinking they own our children! If you don’t speak up, others are in danger of similar experiences!
If the child doesn’t need to go to the dr why take them. So you can get bullied! My son is almost 3 and has been to the dr twice. He got the rotavirus at age 2 from his vaccinated half brother and was hospitalized. He has only went back once after that. Not sure if i can believe this whole story the lady told you because it’s very contradicting. There’s alot of reasons why this couldn’t happen. One is hippa law and cps has no jurisdiction over vaccines
CPS medically kidnaps children for parents refusing doctor recommended treatment – refusing to vaccinate is refusing recommended treatment.
CPS can get involved but they have to take you to court to take your children. My first daughter who is now 18 was born early at 32 weeks after a week in the hospital she was fine except for gaining weight. I finally had enough and told them I was taking her home regardless what they said. CPS was called they talked to me made a report and because there was no neglect nor did they have evidence of me being unfit they never called or showed up again. So some people’s experience are different. Where im from you dont even have to talk to them unless they have a warrant and take you to court.
I think the not talking to them without a warrant is law in all states, but they can take your child if they deem it an emergency and you don’t know your rights then court is all about jumping through hoops to get your kid back. Some states are worse than others, though, even on a county by county basis. My point is that CPS lies and will do what they want to parents who don’t know their rights – in some areas of the country, point taken.
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you are exactly right. Alot of people don’t know their rights and allow this stuff to happen. CPS plays the scare tactic so unless your informed on what control they really do have you might end up being a victim
I would have grabbed my child and left. And if they tried to stop me, I carry a gun.
Did this happen to be Dr Ferguson? He’s a fucking piece of shit asshole. He bullied the absolute crap out of me and did unecessary things and took advantage of the fact that I didn’t know much
CPS will do anything sto get involved with your life. They get into peoples lives daily by false allegations and even if the allegations themselves were false if they see something they do not like they will still open a case and force a case plan even if they have no probable cause. They do this because they know people are in fear of losing their children and will do anything to try to keep their child and will Jump when told to and trust that CPS is telling the truth but in reality its just a Power Trip and a way to get into your life and BIG brother to stay in your life.
Child protection services have way to much power. Sometimes its any excuse. Medical kidnapping of vaccine damaged kids is a big problem too. Anything to stop the truth coming out
if you read the book, Medical Kidnapping, 80% of the kids in foster care are there due to medical kidnapping. But once in state care they are vaccinated. The whole system is sick.
Oregon passed a law “allowing” parents of newborns to be visited up to 3 times at home by a healthcare worker. This is just one more way that state will intrude and try to intimidate parents into vaccinating and possibly turning them into CPS. Scarier still is a Federal law passed saying states can sell newborn babies DNA to companies for medical research. They take the DNA from dried blood spots from the birth. The law states parents don’t have exclusive rights over their baby’s DNA. Are you freakin kidding me. They ruled the state is entitled to a person’s DNA. And I just read today the reason they are pushing to make vaccines mandatory is because they will put the microchips in the vaccines to chip everyone. The New World Order has arrived. I live in a country where I can legally own an assault rifle easier than I can refuse a flu shot at work. WTF?
And yet another post from this group:
Hi everyone.
update: my son can no longer attend his pre school because they changed their policy in 24 hours from medical only exemptions being allowed to NO exemptions. So I’m going to their board meeting on Thursday. I want to begin it with a bunch of FACTS and quick numbers. If you have any time, would you mind throwing my way any awesome facts/info you think could be helpful for me? Anything from vaccine injuries to autism! I’ve got very little time to put this together so I’ll take as much help as I can get! I really appreciate any help!
And yet another post from this group:
Just had the talk with my kids’ pediatrician. Apparently they’re worried about the measles outbreaks so she and her partners are going to stop allowing unvaxxed kids in their practice. We can stay with them if we decide to continue not to vaccinate while we look for another doctor. So frustrating! It took so long to find this pediatrician and now we might have to find yet another doctor for our kids. Need advice where to look. Pm me if you want the pediatrician’s name so you can avoid them. They’re in Randallstown, MD.
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Today, the WHO is the world’s largest and most influential public health agency with an annual budget for 2018-2019 of $4421.5M ($4.4 billion). 55 About 20 percent ($956.9M) of the WHO budget is funded by assessments on member states and the remaining 80 percent funded by “voluntary contributions”
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is the largest non-state funder of the WHO, having donated more than $2B in earmarked grants to the international health agency since 1998, and is the second largest WHO funder overall (after the U.S. government). Because Gates Foundation grant money is earmarked for specific programs, such as vaccine purchase, delivery and promotion, the Gates Foundation significantly influences the setting of WHO’s program priorities.
In 2010, after a joint investigation by the British Medical Journal (BMJ) in collaboration with the London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism, an article was published in the BMJ revealing that three key scientists, who influenced the WHO’s decision to declare a swine flu (H1N1) influenza pandemic in 2009 and recommend that all countries use and stockpile vaccines and pandemic flu drugs, had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies profiting from the WHO recommendations (GlaxoSmithKline and Roche).
WHO was also criticized for lack of transparency for refusing to release the identities of the 16 members of an Emergency Committee formed in 2009 to guide pandemic policy.
The 2009 pandemic H1N1 vaccine, which was rushed to market to address a WHO declared pandemic that did NOT happen, triggered an autoimmune reaction in more than 1,300 people in Europe who got GSK’s Pandemrix vaccine and left them with narcolepsy, an incurable immune mediated neurological disorder.
in 2013, the CDC Foundation received three grants totaling $13.5M from the Gates Foundation to globally “advance the implementation” of meningitis and rotavirus vaccine programs. The Centers for Disease Control and the CDC Foundation have received more than $167M from the Gates Foundation. Vaccine manufacturers have also received millions of dollars in grants from the Gates Foundation, including GlaxoSmithKline (over $50M); Merck $1.4M; Pfizer $16.5M; and Sanofi Pasteur $3.6M.
And yet another post:
Pre-K teacher here. 4 year old student get 4 vaccines yesterday and he is a MESS today. Any advice on what I can do?
And yet another post:
WakeUpAmerica Over 1000 concerned citizens showed up and 500 were scheduled to speak against vaccine mandates against only 5 doctors who were for the mandates. Isn’t this a country “for the people and by the people?” How does this happen? It happens because so many are still asleep along with the hidden agendas and an avalanche of lies, myths, deception, and greed! WiseUp You’re out of time for political correctness amid this laissez-faire corruption! EnoughisEnough RiseUp and occupy the state capitol now! Raise your voices! There is no hiding place or anywhere to run! Either you take back your government through civil peaceful disobedience or you will perish under the myriad of fascist tyranny that’s in the pipeline!
https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/04/the-colorado-vaccine-bill-to-mandate-full-cdc-schedule.html
And yet another post:
PLEASE, just answer my questions. I’m literally freaking out about inside..
So, in Colorado, hb19-1312 has passed through committee.
-I have no family support
-I cannot lawyer up
-I cannot move
-I don’t have money for things like finding a human rights dr that would write my kids a medical exemption.
SO I’m saying these, how do I go about vaccinating? I mean does this bill go for adults as well? Or just children?
Which vaccines first? How far should I space them out?
With this new bill coming up, are we even allowed to space them out?
And with CPS supposedly getting involved?! I’ll loose their health insurance (Medicaid) and food assistance and childcare assistance. Most likely.
Apparently the court ruling wasn’t enough, because Rockland County is back, this time with $2000 fines: https://www.axios.com/new-york-county-measles-outbreak-2677e565-c652-4578-9789-8820bfa8591c.html
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
I am completely new to all of this. I have a vaccine injured child. I’ve spoken to a few of my anti-vax friends or vaccine injured friends and they have referred me to this group as well as brought up detoxing.
I have no idea where to even start.
My son was walking at 8 months, saying words at 6-7 months, speaking by 11 months. And then somewhere around 12 months (I believe) we took him in to get vaccinated and his whole demeanor changed from there. He turned into a zombie, he forgot every single word he ever knew, his motor skills regressed a ton. His ped is a huge vax pusher and is now “testing” him for autism (of course), also sending me in to “just check” for a brain tumor which is “very unlikely”. But I know what actually happened. Since that day he hasn’t been the same. We’re at 2 years old now and he hardly says mom and dad.
So my question is, what is detoxing, how do I do it. WHAT do I do?
And yet another post from this group:
The Pediatrician just called and said I need to bring my daughter in for a wellness check. The thing is they kicked us out the last time when we refused vaccinations for the 100th time I was even told that we couldn’t come back there! Is this normal? Am I being set up? I have really bad anxiety and separation issues so I don’t want to show up to an appointment and the worse happens…..
I have no time for police nor a social worker….
My daughter is 16months….
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Don’t go!!! Less is more when talking. You can tell them you transferred care, but you do not have to tell them anything else or if you even did or to who you transferred to! Just cancel any appointments if you have any so you aren’t considered a no call no show. Remember they kicked you out so you did not do anything wrong! But if you go and do not comply with what they are wanting you to do they could most definitely call DHS/CPS even if they have no right to at all and you’ve done nothing wrong. And until they’ve done an investigation who knows what they would do. It’s sad and it’s scary and they should definitely be put in prison for any kind of false accusations against a parent. Make sure you are polite and not rude that way if anything ever happens you have always been respectful you showed up for your appointments you were the one kicked out you didn’t make a scene you do not have to go to that doctor it’s your right it’s your choice it’s your child no one should ever make you feel bullied into a decision you do not feel comfortable with.
Their clinic wants their bonus? Need to shift some about to expire vaccines? Theyll probably have needles ready as soon as you walk in and hoping to sway you.
why don’t call them back and ask about sudden change of heart? You can remind they kicked you out, so what’s changed? It could be just an administrative glitch. The receptionist had to go through all the records in the practice to check who is due, and your name popped up. Do they keep electronic records or are still on the paper? Anyway, it’s unusual if the Dr calls him/herself, usually it’s the office staff job.
Tell them “sorry, I fired your office because you were not on the same page with me” Thank you for following up. The person making appointments does not have your medical records, they are just calling everyone who’s not been in for a while, a way for docs to stay in business.
You don’t owe them any explanation, nor are you obligated to bring your daughter in for well visits. They don’t deserve your business. I took my son to his first well visit and never went back. He’s 17 now.
The doctor is chasing revenue. They not only called you, they called everyone that they can update vaccines on. Since they still have you listed in their practice you are one of the many, and growing, number of patients who detract from their bonus. If they do not achieve the prescribed level of vaccine compliance, they lose $400 bonus per patient. Yes, they will bully and threaten to get that money. They could give two shizzles about your child’s health.
we all know that they just need to pick up the phone and call CPS if they don’t think you are taking your daughter to her wellness checks…
I don’t understand that; wellness checks aren’t even required by law until school age
what’s scary is it’s called gunpoint medicine…all they have to do is make an annonymous call and say they are concerned you might be neglecting your baby. It’s above the law and done all the time using CPS.
Forced Medicine: Gunpoint Medicine has Become Normal in America
Huh? My pediatricians office sends reminders but never actually called and said i had to come in. Thats weird. Just disregard it or tell them youve found a new doc ??????? pay them no mind
Make sure you say you have a new dr so they dont have reason to call CPS claiming you refuse medical care for your child. If they are willing to go this far to call and badger you, they will go further. Please find a better doctor or hopefully you already have.
You are right. You are being set up. Find a family friendly physician recommended by parents in your area who share your same health concerns. This office may have Child Protective Services workers waiting outside.
I didn’t know there was such a dr.
I’ve had this happen.. walked right past them and moved to another state…
Don’t go! Find another pediatrician. Wellness check ups are only for vaccination if you think about it. Oh yeah height and weight but you can go online for that!
When my pediatrician kicked me out for not vaccinating and then called me for another appointment I told them to lose my records.
Don’t go. Call back and tell them you changed pediatricians. This happened to me, and they called and harassed daily! We haven’t been back since February 2018- NONE of us have been to the dr
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
My heart is breaking and I know I need to have faith this is part of my journey. My Dad and I had breakfast this morning. He told me that since my sister is pregnant and I have made the decision to discontinue vaccinating my 5 year old autistic son, that we cannot celebrate holidays together anymore. They think because of the stories in the media are all about measles outbreaks and since my son only got one MMR (which he had severe reaction to at 12 months old) that he could contract measles and give it to the baby. So I was asked to not participate in family functions and to keep my family away. I don’t even know where to begin…I tried to explain that every time they are in public they come in contact with unvaccinated people and they just don’t know it. I would never take my child out of the house to a family function if I thought he was coming down with any illness. Maybe many of you have experienced this…How do I heal my heartache and let this go? I truly feel like I just had a death in my family.
And another post from this group:
Hi guys, I was just reached by my kids school district notifying me that I need to show proof of a TDap for my upcoming seventh grader. I have a ME that I am going to present. What is the law that protects them from sharing his ME to other parties? Hippa ? How should I go about it? I am terrified, this is the first time I will be showing this document. ??????I have to turn it into the nurses office, what if the nurse asks me why he got one? Do I have to answer her? What can I say that it’s private information between meAnd her doctor.
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Any medical records you share with the school are no longer protected by HIPPA. They would be protected by FERPA instead and become a permanent part of your child’s school record. You are NOT required to sign any releases for them to contact your child’s doctor. If they call your child’s doctor and doc discusses/confirms/denies or even acknowledges your child is a patient, without your permission, the doctor would be in violation of HIPPA.
FERPA was gutted by Obama a while back and further gutted by a bill called FEPA that President Trump unfortunately signed back in January. Also, I’ve heard talk that CONgress and others were thinking of blurring the lines between HIPPA and FERPA in the future. They may have already done it with FEPA.
FERPA was bad back in 2013:
FERPA is Worthless at Protecting Student Data
FEPA (2018-2019) is even worse:
HR 4174 – Foundations in Evidence Based Policymaking Act (FEPA) Just Eliminated Or Severely Gutted 9 Constitutional Amendments
And another post from this group:
THEY ARE COMING FOR US NEW JERSEY. TAKE ACTION
And another post:
Unbeliveable! Attention patients with vaccine medical exemptions!
A new California bill was just introduced by Senator Pan. SB 276 – Elimination of all past and future medical exemptions. We are fighting this hard, BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP. If we don’t defeat this bill, every single one of your vaccine medical exemptions will be disqualified on June 1, 2020.
And another post from this group:
Venting n seeking help.
I took my unvaxxed boys in for their second wellness check ever (scary) and the doctor honestly was great, informative but not pushy. But after we got home i started doing more research into how or what i could do to get my boys exemption so they could attend school this year without being forced to vaccinate. My oldest is 5 and we live in colorado.
Honestly it about put me in tears. It feels like theres no “safe” option now much less if that bill passes the senate. Idk what to do. Im hurt n furious that my boys arent allowed to attend school. My oldest LOVES to learn and i am and would make a terrible teacher. He would love school and he is denied an opportunity for a standard education, sports, social interaction, and everything because i refuse 80+ very dangerous preventative shots. Grrrr! Im so mad.
If anyone lives in northern colorado and has been through this is there any help?? Please?
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You can home school wothout being the teacher. Check into Abekka. Its a great program my grands use.
if the bill passes, she won’t be able to. Homeschoolers follow same rules as schools in CO
I am not sure what these legislators are thinking. That number of people showing up should be a RED Flag that they are NOT on the right page.
I am just as shocked and disgusted as you are. I listened through most of the 13 hours the committee went on for. They have to be real monsters to react and behave the way they did.
Let me say, I had the same worries. I’m in CA and things are getting worse. But, my kids have zero interest in going back to public school. I was shocked! If you homeschool, do it. If you can’t afford to, find like minded parents that can help. Anxieties and school drama are…gone!
unfortunately homeschoolers follow the same rules as all school age children. It’s our law. ?? The bill affects all children k-12, homeschooled or not.
CO law states all homeschoolers, whether they are just at home, have to turn in exemptions. The new bill will put all exempt kids in a database because our exemptions have to be signed by three health department. This takes their FERPA rights away.
I read earlier today that Colorado is in a race to the finish line for the craziest out of control state! ??I can’t agree more.
HB19-1312 was PASSED by the house early yesterday morning. If the Senate passes this bill I can’t even imagine what’s next!!
If you are silent in this matter please know just a few things you are agreeing to. I will add some more info in my comments so you can read the full bill on your own.
-THIS BILL IS SO EXTREME
IT REMOVES A DOCTORS ABILITY
TO WRITE A MEDICAL EXEMPTION
FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN THOSE WHO HAVE HAD ANAPHYLACTIC REACTION TO VACCINES. (As the bill states it must follow ACIP)
-The less than 3% who file for an exemption will be put in a tracking system with a parents signature stating something along the lines of how they agree they are failing to protect their child and putting them in harms way. (which could be used against them in the future) This tracking system will also have their child’s/children’s name, address and private health information (current law keeps information private within the school because of HIPAA). This bill basically removes HIPAA and allows vaccines records to be released and whatever else they may require. This bill states changes can be added at anytime. So they can add in that students info can be available online for others to view. They can do whatever they want being it states changes can be made at anytime.
-More vaccines will be required to attend school in Colorado. We will have to follow ACIP recommendations. Their recommendations include an annual flu vaccine. If flu vaccine is not given then a child will need an exemption.
??Our exemption rates are less than 3%, with these changes I can almost guarentee exemption rates will go up because not everyone wants the flu vaccine or hpv vaccine.
-State money will be used to educate on the benefits of vaccines only, not risks!
-This does impact homeschooled students
I’m in Michigan and choosing to homeschool because the schools are actually less than standard and there’s so many budget cuts that kids are actually struggling and suffering from the fact that bullying is a huge problem and with budget cuts there’s less staff to actually care for the needs of kids and I’m not even going into the special needs Department because that’s worse but all the kids across the board are not getting anything out of going to public school. My kids have an individual academic goal set being homeschooled and we have groups where we meet up and socialize and they play with kids their own age but it’s so much more relaxed and enjoyable. And I cannot describe the best experience of seeing your child learn and seeing how they learn that’s why they love to learn. When you go to a public school you are told what to learn and told how to learn that’s why it’s called standard and you are cloned education minded to be like everybody else. I struggled with this in public school myself and I hated being there because I never got the support or individual attention that I needed to thrive in areas I was interested in. And when I graduated I was told to get a job or go to college and I still never had opportunities to thrive in interest. Now doing homeschooling the parents are that full opportunity to help your child thrive. There are still Sports and activities and group outings to meet up in your local area to do other things. But even depending on your child’s personality and interest homeschooling actually gives them more. And it’s definitely not worth injecting them with neurotoxin poisons and the risk of injury or death. And I say the injury part with a heavy heart because my youngest who is 7 suffered from vaccine injuries and now has autism as a result from all of the setbacks that came with the reactions after the vaccines. I did not know then what I know now and I live with heavy regret for not doing any research or questioning. And even with him homeschooling has just been a safe haven because autism is it self very hard to deal with and large buildings with a lot of noise and the social aspect is just not there. Anyways moms teach their babies honestly before they’re even born it is just naturally there. Just don’t compare yourself to how you should do it with the standards of somebody else or the schools. Do it how your family works and how your child’s personality and interest are growing.
I just want to say, I pulled my kids out of school and homeschooled, for different reasons. It was one of the top 10 BEST decisions I’ve made for my kids! It was so much fun, though taxing for sure. I am so proud of those years. You will be a wonderful teacher! All the curriculum and learning tools were provided for free, along with support and a computer. My teenager got a laptop to use for H.S. I pulled my son out in 8th grade because he was struggling so hard and getting terrible grades, and my daughter followed soon after, in 4th grade. My son was on the Dean’s list through H.S. and finished his senior year at the public H.S. with A’s and B’s.
My daughter was able to spend 20-30 hrs per week dancing and earned a scholarship.
I’m sorry the circumstances have forced you to seek alternatives, but I just want you to know that the option of homeschooling is not a terrible one, and if I could go back, I would’ve done it much sooner!!
And yet another post from this group:
I got CPS called on me.
A bit lengthy of a story, but I just had my baby boy and denied the Hep B vaccination.
We spent three days in the hospital, my test results for pre eclampsia came back negative and his bilirubin (jaundice) test came back so low it was almost non existent.
They wanted to keep us another day even though (this being my second child) I was fairly confident in my judgment especially considering he was eating and pooping (a healthy color) regularly, and passed all his hearing and other tests with flying colors. I was ready to go home. I wanted to sleep in my own bed. The hospital stresses me out and there was literally NOTHING wrong with either of us so I asked the doctor if I could go home, and he said “Even though both your tests for pre eclampsia came back negative we still want to keep you another day just in case.”
My first thought was “No you just want to keep me another night to line your pockets.”
And to be honest, it had to be one of the worst hospital stays I’ve ever experienced. I was lied to three different times about the hospitals regulations and other things.
I felt fine, I didn’t even tear during labor, I wanted. To go. Home.
So I signed a form saying I was leaving against medical advice and took my baby home, put him in the sun, two times a day to kick whatever touch of jaundice he had, and just got a call today from Social Services saying they received a report about the well being of my infant and that they want to come to my house tomorrow to check on him.
I’ve literally got nothing to hide. I’m just more irritated in the fact the hospital would literally go that far just to report me over something so fucking small.
I’ve never had this problem in Texas where I had my first.
I almost want to call the hospital tomorrow and tell them I’m going to fucking sue their shit when the social worker leaves tomorrow empty handed.
Fucking eye roll.
And some replies to this post:
Be careful letting them in. They will try and find anything to hold against u
dead right. If they turned up while you changed a nappy and talked to them, one would be taking a photo claimong you had the whole house covered on dirty nappies. CPS is vile, evil and corrupt.
Exactly, or a couple dirty dishes in the sink will be ” dirty dishes piled high in the sink”
yeah, you better NOT HAVE A SINGLE DISH IN THE SINK! Even with an attorney, that’s why it’s better to go to their office, so you don’t have them in your house trying to find shit that’s wrong
Remember CPS are just sniffer dogs on a leash. They are always hungry.
Tell everyone you know what happened…
The way to impact them is in their wallet. Also file a complaint with the deportment of insurance.
Post your story EVERYWHERE!!! Also go into why the stay was bad… so even pro-vaxxers will also be leery. Leave yelp reviews etc!!
I am soooo sorry. Can I ask you what state u r in? This just scares me..
Comifornia
Record the whole visit from CPS on your phone!
YES! VIDEO EVERYTHING!
At least you got a call. They just showed up on my door step claiming I failed their drug test. I didnt even take tylenol when I was pregnant. The worst substance I had in my system was caffeine. The hospital called CPS on me for drugs they pumped me full of when they slammed me under for an emergency c section. After spending 8 days in NICU and finally bringing her home, less than 24 hours later, I have some chick basically calling me a druggie on my front porch. 8 week investigation was proven unfounded. She tested negative for everything. But it traumatized me. Still says in her records that she will “be delayed due to mother’s drug use.” Fuck CPS
Fuck OU medical
Fuck all that bullshit!
So basically the hospital threw a tantrum because they didnt get their way so they did a tit for tat maneuver and called cps? Wow they’re shitty. .
Doesn’t matter if you don’t have anything to hide and yes you’re a wonderful mother and you did everything right by that baby, keep them out of your house, do not let them in your home at all this is a violation. They have no rights it is like the devil he can’t come in that door unless you open it and invite him in. They are not welcome…
Research Title IV-D and E of the social security act! Newborns are in HIGH DEMAND with CPS! They want to take your child, give you a false sense of security by giving you a “reunification plan” and then they’ll just deny and terminate your rights. I’ve been blessed and never gone through this myself but I’ve seen many, many parents go through it! DO NOT LET THEM IN! And if they show up with cops, CALL A LAWYER AND DEMAND A WARRANT!
They can make big money off of you from taking your child all the stuff that you have to go through to get that baby back cause big time money
I’m pretty sure calling CPS is standard procedure at any hospital when you leave before they say they’re done caring for you after childbirth. I’m surprised people don’t know this
as a nurse, yes I can attest to this. It is standard procedure in most hospitals to call CPS if a mon signs out AMA.
COPIED FROM [name redacted]
CPS visits. Because I see this happening to parents who choose not to have their children vaccinated:
- THE KEY: Be polite & SAY AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. You might be terrified inside. You might be absolutely angry if you feel there is injustice going on, but the number one thing you can do is stay calm and be polite. Anything you say can be twisted. Do NOT DEFEND YOURSELF. Do NOT volunteer information.
- Do NOT let them in your house. Be nice but STAY FIRM. Have one statement ready and repeat it over and over “I know you are just doing your job, but my main obligation is to my children and to help them avoid unnecessary trauma.” If they do not have a warrant and there is no obvious emergency, they are not allowed access to your home. If a police officer is with them, they all know it is illegal to enter a home unless you CONSENT, or unless they have a warrant, or can hear an emergency situation going on. DO NOT CONSENT.
- Ask permission to ask THEM questions. “I realize you are just doing your job. Would it be ok if I asked you a couple of questions?” Then, ask if you can record the conversation. If you need to get your cell phone, close the door and say, “I need to get something.” These are the questions to ask them:
• “Firstly, do you have some identification? After you get their ID, write down their name, then ask, “Can you give me the name and phone number of your supervisor?” Write it all down. Take your time.
• Next “What are the exact allegations that have been made against me? Federal law requires that I should be informed of any allegations against me.”
• Ask them if they have a warrant. Be direct. “Do you have a warrant to search my home or speak to my children?” If they produce a warrant make sure it is signed by a judge and dated. - Tell them you are going to contact your attorney and when you get them on the phone, you will allow them to speak to your attorney. Close the door. Have the attorney speak to CPS.
I pray you will never need to use this information. Unfortunately, in the present time of extensive government involvement in the lives of parents, many parents have found themselves in complex situations with CPS. It is better to be forewarned and forearmed. Your number one desire is to protect your children from harm. Too often CPS has brought more harm than help.
Do not let them inside your home! #1!!! Tell them you will bring your healthy baby to them!!! #2 Jaundice is so common amongst babies born in hospitals it’s not even funny,why do they even pretend to care about that? CPS are legal kidnappers, I thought everyone knew this…?? they are just as crooked as all our politicians. Don’t be nice
I felt the same when I had my son on the 6th. 6 hours after he was born, I was asking to go home lol I just did not want to be there. They refused to let me leave until we had been there for at least 24 hours. They ended up discharging us around 30 hours after he was born. I was not being a very pleasant patient lol Especially because they pushed formula the entire time.
Yep. I put a blanket under my daughter. I didn’t know I wasn’t supposed to do that. They never corrected me. N we left the TV off the whole time, and when she slept were on our phones. CPS showed up at my house the very next day after our discharge
Iv delt with cps over stupid crap meet them at the door step outside and close it behind you no entry unless a warrant. I always have a camera recording I recorded one just walking into my home I reported her. Watch what you say they will twist your words my daughter told them my dog got into a fight with another and they called the cops on me saying I was holding a dog fighting ring when all I did was foster a dog that didn’t like mine it went back to the rescue same day. Wishing you luck
And another post from this group:
WASHINGTON STATE
We’re losing our rights
And another post from this group:
This judge is a twonk change my mind
https://www.rt.com/usa/456961-judge-dismisses-antivax-lawsuit-brooklyn/
And another post from this group:
A few honest, ethical judges still exist.??
“Measles: Judges deny Rockland’s appeal on emergency declaration.
And another post from this group:
I’ve been told I’m not aloud to attend easter with the family because my kids are not vaccinated. I cried a little and now my stance on it is even stronger and it makes me want to be even more vocal. Thanks family for the lack of support its actually very motivating. ??
And yet another post from this group:
We’re likely going to be forced to vaccinate. We’ll know forsure in a couple weeks. So in anticipation of that, how can we help him before and after the vaccines to flush them out?
He’s 2 if that matters.
Edit:
Required for daycare/school here in Cali.
No we’re not moving again or homeschooling.
We know vaccines are bad.
Our son has eczema, anyone have info on if/how that qualifies for an exemption?
We’ve made it nearly 2 years without vaccinating, so don’t assume this is because I WANT to vaccinate suddenly.
And here are some replies to this post:
I have a severely brain damaged son of 40. He recieved 1 vaxx,and with 4-6 hrs after the vaxx and I will never give up fighting against vaccinations.
I am so sorry this happened to you and your son. Thank you for not giving up.
My husband and I sold our house and our stuff and bought an RV and got out of CA. No job at all. Then, thank God, my husband found work right away. And then a new job when he wanted better pay in our new state.
Those families who suffer this type of injury don’t always get the care they need and I watch my aging friends suffering physical injury themselves from their child slamming their head into their parents. Breaking mirrors and windows and doors, being physically bigger and stronger than their parents who can’t ever get a break, assistance runs out and friends disappear. No help in sight.
Even with medical exemptions daycare in California is now given the right to refuse service to people who are not vaccinated. I was worried about vaccinations with my children as well. I simply had them give him 1 at a time. This gave his body a chance to fight each one as he got it. No the many that they push at once. It sucks that you pretty much have no choice if you want child care.
Also parents needed start teaching their kids about everything is in the vaccines before they brainwash them to get vaccinated at 16 if they pass that mandate as well
Screw that. I still wouldn’t vaccinate. Tell them to F off. Personally I’d just find a way to forge the paperwork… Find a daycare that doesn’t need your child to be vaccinated. Surely there are some out there.
Honestly try harder please. If there is will there is a way. If you have to lie to save your baby lie, if you have to inconvenience yourself do it. You can’t take back irreversible damage. Unfortunately being blissfully ignorant isn’t an option for you because you know the truth. If he has eczema his body is already telling you “hi I don’t process toxins very well” please don’t respond to it with “hi here’s a bunch of toxins it would take someone thrice your size to process” ??
I know you don’t want to hear this, but please don’t vaccinate under any circumstances. That vaccine could very well end his life. I’m sorry to be so blunt, but you have to think about it that way. His life is more important than some bullshit law. Find someone who runs a private daycare out of their home. Find a babysitter or nanny. There are always options. It’s Russian roulette when you vax. Don’t take that chance.
I live in WV where we don’t have exempt. Moving wasn’t an option for me at this time and I work full time so homeschooling became difficult. I got into a homeschool mommy group and found another mom that is actually a former public school teacher. She was glad to take my daughter so it gives her child and mine a playmate and I pay her a small amount monthly. My child is fluourishing. She is above grade level. She is very happy! She thinks of them as family now. It has been a God send. You always have options and choices. My older three boys are fully vaxxed and in public school. Two have injuries from shots. Even one can cause irreversible damage in children. There are text books from 50 years ago stating that children with ezema should not be vaccinated but they won’t recognize that now. Pray about it. Keep looking there could be a good soulution with another homeshcooling family. It is a win win for us!
You’d have to step over my cold dead hands before you forced me to vaccinate my child just so I can go work away from them.. nothing makes sense anymore. Fuck the government.
they have to pry my son out of my dead cold hands before they touchdd him with a needle
Yes!!!!
I agree no need for vaccinate stand up for yourself fight then illegal vaccines
Refuse. Don’t do it. We can’t move out of every state enacting this fascist legislation. Refuse to comply.
This is why they get away with doing what theyre doing. I would flee a whole country with my babies to get away from vaccines. If your son ends up sick, can you look at him and tell him you did everything to prevent it, or just tell him it was becuase you needed an education (Thats mind control/slavery to be cookie cutted into what the government wants) theres no way ??
they will have to seriously kill me before forcing me to inject my kid. This is absolutely nuts!
seriously! Its like “here son, drink this cup of poison, only thing tho…you might die, but its to better yourself in society” wtf
Yes! This is one sick country. Here’s the thing…vaccines cause more issues with the human body which then creates more business for the medical world. So the big pharma and government are all about keeping Americans sick and making sure this group who has decided to say umm no f that gets shut down because they fear us!
exactly! We are paychecks!!!! Thats why i have a hard time believing theyll do the right tjing and test these vaccines for safety. Why would they test something to orove how dangerous they are that creates bread for their table? They will not prove or give us proof of studies on tjede vaccines in our favor! It won’t happen. We are their income, cash flow, we are the cattle! Fuck the government and people need ro take a stand and over throw them! Its our country and we are in control of them, they work for us but 98% of Americans have forgotten that.
ugh! Ill never send my babies there! My oldest is 8 and non verbal and in a wheelchair and ive seen too many videos of teachers abusing special needs. I would bring down the whole world if someone touched my baby or mistreated him. I dont understand how people believe theyre so weak and have no power then use the constitution to have the rights they believe in protected but theyve forgotten about the part that says if the government has too much power we step in and overthrow them?! Its passed time for a revolution.
Just because of the fact that they are pressuring so hard I will never ever comply no matter what. And since I know they have trolls reading this and recording this let me make it clear those shots are getting into my child over my dead body! They will have to walk over my dead body first after they kill me because I’m not letting it happen no matter what. People have fled persecution throughout history this is not new
He already has vaccine reactions ?? why would you put him through any more? Fuck that state..get out of California (?? ex-Californian) as fast as you can. You’d be shocked as shit at how much better life will be for your family once you’re out.
We have a family of 5 living off 1 income and I homeschool. There’s no point to work to pay for child care – especially when you’re forced for your child to be subject to vaccination to do so. Nothing is worth it. Nothing.
Im pretty sure its not mandatory til Kinder…If your daycare is demanding it …Find a new daycare. My son was vaccine injured and started having seizures from the toxins that went to his brain. I WILL NOT CONSENT. EVER EVER AGAIN….
I’m feeling for you mama, I have 3 children (2 vaxxed and 1 who is) – she happens to be because she’s our oldest and we couldn’t get an exemption from school. I feel you mama. I hear you. I’m not going to tell you to move or homeschool or be a stay at home mom. That is not fair. But I will answer your question, as you came here to find out ways to help your son detox not to be told to just pick up your life and move somewhere else. It’s scary to say, but I fear that we all will be forced to vaccinate our children soon and the best thing we can do is educate ourselves on how to help our littles detox and get through it.
Key things:
- Vitamin C up his intake weeks before getting vaccinated
- Space them out. One vaccine at a time. Separate the combined ones.
- Bentonite Clay IMMEDIATELY after being injected. You want to put a thin later over the injection sight- this will help out toxins
- Detox Baths
- Chlorella Tablets (found at any health food store)
CDC says if your child or family member has “an immune system disorder” which eczema is, then they should NEVER get he MMR. Says it on their own website!!! Your child is high risk for a reaction if they are already having immune system problems.
I remember getting vaccinated before middle school many years ago, my excema got so bad it hurt all the time!!always red and itchy around my nose of all places.
I will pray for your innocent child. I would give anything to have NOT vaccinated mine. No detox can undo the damage. Sorry, I just dont have any words that make the truth more palatable. You risk killing your child, or maiming him for life. He will never be the same. ??
I am disgusted that parents are just willing to comply. Why do you even ask this question here? For me it sounds like you are ok for your child to be raped and you are not willing to find another solution , and somehow the rape part is going to be better because the child is 2 years old.
Your comment sounds harsh , but I have to say I agree 100% We need to do EVERYTHING possible to stand up for our god given rights ! If that means quitting jobs , downgrading vehicle choices , , budgeting groceries tighter , not going on that trip , shop thrift instead of new , sell stuff . Start networking work it out with another parent to co-homeschool so that you share it and each of you can work . Do WHATEVER it takes to not inject your child and put them in harms way . In my opinion if you proclaim that you would die for your child , or you would protect your child with your life , here’s your chance DO IT !
You have a choice, mama. Born and raised in Cali. Struggling single mom here. Somehow made it until he was 3 without. Then we made the very hard, sacrificial decision that seemed like the only one—- to leave all of our friends and family and move across the country without anyone or anything. SO WORTH THE SACRIFICE to save my babies health/life/future. Hardest and best decision I’ve ever made. He’s 5.5 now and so much healthier than majority of children around. No chronic issues at all and hardly sick except a few minor colds. Can go to school here w no issues at all. Do what’s needed for your family’s health and well being— even if the decision is very hard. It’s worth it all. Big hugs ??????.
A detox can only do so much. Much of it can be irreversbale damage ??
what could possibly be more important than avoiding the high likelihood that your child will be damaged for life? a job? a home? so sorry, we know this is not your choice, but I hope you won’t do it.. I talked to a father recently who started to get their 3 year old “caught up on shots so he could go to school”.. they watched him regress into autism after just a few shots.
We should demand that any legislator who supports forced vaccination be vaccinated on live TV with the many, many vaccinations required of an infant. The amount of adjuvants should be adjusted for legislator by body weight to match the toxicity level of a 6-20 pound infant. The authenticity of each vaccine needs to be verified…no saline vaccinations. They have no right to enforce these vaccinations if they are not willing to suffer the same consequences. With voices banded together, this request must be made for all to hear.
Here is a post that was shared in the vaccine skeptic group:
The ADA pushing Gardasil. Evil working overtime. Please listen to the 2.5 minute snippet of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr discussing Gardasil in the comments ?? 1 in 40 chance of getting autoimmune disease in 6 months. 50% showed some other major injury within 6 months of taking Gardasil. HPV Please donate to Children’s Health Defense
And another post from this group:
So according to a friend (who recently found out my son is unvaccinated) im uneducated, irresponsible, ignorant and apparently im also a pro plaguer. I guess we are no longer friends. Oh, she works in the medical field and is 10000% pro vaccines and doesnt believe in vaccine injuries existing. Almost 10 years of friendship gone because she wont respect my decision on what to do with my child.
And some replies to this post:
I’m sorry your friend is such an ignorant person, but I’m glad you found out now. I lost a forty year friendship over politics.
Yep this is happening to me also. Its sad.
lost a good friend too over it. Oh well ??????? it sucks but in the end your child is the only thing that matters. Pro vaxxer logic is ridiculous. I used to be pro vax till somebody told me about vaccines and I’m a huge anti vax now
its crazy because a friend of hers had commented on the post. Shes pro vax but she said that when her child received his 1 year vaccines he stopped talking and shes sure it was the vaccines. Im gonna send her a private message and discuss vaccine injury and vaers.
When I worked on ICU, I remember that I was the last awake nurse out there among very “smart pants” girls who graduated 5-10 years ago. They were at least vaccine-hesitant in general and a few of them refused flu shots despite harassment and threatening with termination of job. I didn’t understand at that time, now I have a baby and I saw what vaccine does. You have to keep going to live your life in peace, no one can understand your statement better than people (growing number of people!!!) who know someone who was vaccine-injured. You are a good mom and your friend is as well, because we all do what we think that it’s the best for our children.
Hugs! ??????
That happened to me recently too. So sad to lose a friend over such a thing. But there wasn’t much I could do about it.
She literally told me that she hopes my child gets sick so I “learn my lesson”. She’s a nurse.
Ive lost a ton of friends n even family over my decision not to inject poison into my son. It hurts but life goes on and at the end of the day he’s my number 1 priority n my focus. Fuck them if they can’t respect your wishes or at least agree to disagree. It sucks so i know exactly how you feel. But i will NOT be moved. I will never ever vaccinate my son. I’m woke and if people want to weed them selves out of my life because of it, good riddance.
My Best friend is pro vax and her kids are 100% immunized and mine are not. We have never had a fight about this. She tells me before I go to her house if they have recently had any. She listens to my warnings which are never forceful. We absolutely love each other despite our many differences. Religion is in that too. But my point is that you can co exist just fine if both people can be respectful and honest. Of coarse that means both people. She was definitely not respectful toward you.
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I have a 21 year old, 19 year old and 5 month old. My oldest kids where vaccinated because i didn’t know any better n did what my pediatrician suggested like all the sheeple, n yes i regret that now because my oldest children really weren’t ok growing up. Always sick. Ashthma so bad n always had colds n ear aches. My 19 year old has serious mental health issues n i wouldn’t be surprised if vaccines caused alot of that. My 5 month old will never get shots! Ever. I know better now.
I lost a 20 year friendship over this, as well. It’s really sad to see the division and anger over this. Ironically she is pro choice on everything else but not this!
I walked away from a 30 yr friendship due to her Verbally Attacking my Daughter for not Vaccinating my granddaughter. So many Hateful things came out of her mouth. I was Shocked. Including your killing your daughter. Was said to my daughter. I was cleaning her house when this happened. After all she said she had the nerve to say I Love You. I finished what I was doing. Handed her the keys back & told her I won’t be back. Stood my ground and always will. God Bless to all that have to deal with this. Granddaughter is 4,1/2 now. Very Healthy, Very Smart. She did have eye goop and Vit K at birth. Nothing else since. Protecting those we Love Most.
I was in the medical field and most my clinical friends are AGAINST vaccination because we get them forced on us and they make us sick. But that’s a handful of the whole pot of clinical people.
I’ve lost 3 separate 15 year friendships this year because I don’t vaccinate. Sorry for what you’re going through. It’s hard to process.
The power of programming. It can disconnect one from reason and from their heart. Have compassion for her. At some point she may wake up, she will need a lot of support when she reflects upon how she used to be.
Im in a similar boat. My friend for over 17 years now took the “if you dont vaccinate, you shouldnt be allowed to leave your house, shouldnt be allowed to see a Dr if you’re sick etc” approach.. So I no longer talk to her. Her and her pro vax friend go back and forth and make comments directed towards me. Like I did something terribly wrong. 3 of my 4 kids are fully vaccinated. My youngest had pretty severe reactions to his last round of shots. I started digging. Come to find out all of my kids have had listed known reactions (via the vaccine inserts) and I was oblivious
I finally got called names yest for the first time… by a “friend”
She asked me to donate $ for something. Than proceeded to call me an idiot… for my views and how we were killing people. I told her I’d sure like to help but they prob don’t want my $ it’s prob all covered in germs! ?????????
This always happens with medical professionals especially younger ones. Don’t blame them, you wouldn’t want to admit your training was corrupted and that you participate in harming children either- Having invested in that education and career.
Speaking up and pointing out the things regarding vaccines that need to be pointed out and questioned, definitely comes at a cost in today’s society. If we are not conforming to the “norms” of our society we are ridiculed and cast out.
I had a good number of local friends, after 3 years of speaking out, I’m down to 2, of which live very busy lives already, so close friendships are non existent. Every time I meet a new friend it goes great until they find out we don’t vaccinate, and what my strong viewpoint is. We also just recently had to switch to an earlier service in our church due to this. Thankful that this time it’s mainly 40year+ age range and that I will not be planning to fully know past Sunday. Apparently they all forgot God’s word and the sermon of loving others including those you don’t agree with…
So fully can relate…
As a person who had seizures for two years after being vaccinated an arrogant and ignorant person such as your socalled friend would be thrown on the rubbish pile with no reservations.She doesnt care about your kids.She worships big pharma her cash cow and cannot cope with being questioned. I would rather have questions I cannot answer than answers I cannot question. She is a member of a toxic cult.
I feel ya my sister threw away over 25 years of friendship when she got married he’s very pro vaxx and she knew before but when she got with him she turned to “it’s not my fault you don’t vaccinate, vaccinate and you can see your niece again I don’t want her catching diseases from you”. We even lived together at one point and her daughter was constantly sick my son only caught what she had once and was over it within 24 hours. My niece has chronic health problems and my kids are healthy as can be. I wish she would see that she’s poisoning her.
And another post from this group:
Took my daughter into urgent care today because she was running a fever on and off the past 5 days. The NP literally lectured me 3 different times about vaccines. In the end she told me, “well I hope your daughter can stay healthy and avoid death.” I almost smacked her. She bullied me, laughed at me when I shared my concerns about shedding. I’m so livid right now!!!
And yet another post from this group:
Super long story ahead. So I had my first negative anti-vaxx experience this weekend. We took my 4-month-old daughter to ER for breathing problems. The first nurse asked if she was up to date on her vaccines, and I hesitated, and then finally said, no we haven’t vaccinated her yet. Then another nurse came in and asked the same thing, this time I said we’re delaying until she’s older. Then a 3rd nurse came in asked again, I said no, we’re delaying, she hasn’t received any. She said, so you don’t vaccinate? I said no. The first doctor also asked, but didn’t seem too concerned. I’m thinking, do they not communicate or are they just harassing us? Then they give her a chest x-ray. 30 minutes later a 2nd doctor rushes in and sits down by the bed and starts grilling me about every little thing then finally said she was asking me “all these questions because the chest x-ray came back (dramatic pause) pneumonia.” She then said we need to start IV fluids and antibiotics immediately. My daughter had nursed about 6 times in the 2 hours we’d been there, she was plenty hydrated. I also didn’t want to start antibiotics until we knew whether it was viral or bacterial. She also informed me that some pneumonia is vaccine-preventable (and later told my husband it was likely bacterial because viral doesn’t look like that on an x-Ray). So I texted my husband to come in the room and he asked the nurse for some clarification. She did not like that. So he asked to talk to the doctor. The doctor told us she needed to be admitted because we need to monitor her for 2 reasons: to make sure the infection doesn’t reach her blood and turn septic and because she’s unvaxxed so her immune system is weakened. Why would my baby’s immune system be weakened because she HADN’T had poison injected into her? And the other nurse felt the need to tell us babies need antibiotics whether it’s viral or bacterial since their immune systems can’t fight anything. Wrong. Either she was stupid or she thought we were. The sepsis discussion kinda scared me, so we said fine, start the IV and antibiotics. They took some blood and were gonna start an IV but her vein blew. So they admitted her and sent us upstairs. The next 2 doctors who saw her were baffled by the pneumonia diagnosis, and thankfully saw no need for an IV. They gave her one dose of antibiotics while we waited for the blood culture and said they would stop immediately if it turned out to be viral. The results came back and it turned out to be (dramatic pause) rhinovirus. I really feel like the dr downstairs was punishing us for not vaxxing and gave us a diagnosis that could probably be passable, but the other two doctors didn’t buy it from the get-go. Thankfully we were admitted and out of her care along with the nurses in the ER. I was afraid to go to the ER for this very reason, and I hope we don’t have to go back. All I could think of was medical kidnapping. Thank God we got out of there the next afternoon.
I see no need why they need to know her vaccine status. How does change the way they treat patients? It’s not like they quarantined us or anything. I see no reason why they need to know vaccine status in the first place. Even it is a vaccine-preventable illness, they still need to treat it, right? But I guess if a kid came in with measles and they were vaccinated, they may call it something else ????? but probably not during this measles “outbreak”.
And yet another post from this group:
Had my annual with the OBGYN and explained to her that we will soon be trying to conceive. She wrote me a prescription for blood work and said they are checking for rubella antibodies… if I come up as not being immune she said “then we will take care of that” I said by take care of that what do you mean? She said well we would immunize you for rubella. I said you mean you would give me the MMR vaccine? She said, yes.. you have to get it if you’re not immune. I said, oh, I “HAVE” to get it? She says well, it’s highly recommended yes. But it’s your choice.
Time for a new OB.
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However it is recommended to not get pregnant too soon after getting an MMR so look that up.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html
didn’t know that. These doctors are nuts! She also made fun of me because we don’t use birth control pills. We family plan naturally by not having intercourse on fertile days. She laughed and said how unreliable and inefficient that method is.
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And here these docs go! They probably have a new compensation plan we aren’t aware of that the more people in general that vaccinate for anything the more $$$$.
Haha yup
After I have birth I had a young nurse come into my room and proceeded to tell me I was going to get the MMR vaccine. I told her nope. She seemed surprised then said you have no immunity to ruebella, so we are going to vaccinate for it. I said No, stop bringing it up. And she left, looking all bewildered. Lol
Oh my days! See how they try and suck you in ???????
So many health associated risks and deficiencies with bcp too. I heard someone told that it would ‘save her egg store’…that’s the lies they tell, it’s bloody crazy!
totally tried to suck me in. If I didn’t know that “immunize for rubella “ was code for MMR vaccine she would have never ever said the words MMR or vaccine. It’s almost like they know the stigma now associated with MMR and they purposely dance around the term to suck you in through another route. It’s very sneaky
Off the insert: “Women of childbearing age should be advised not to become pregnant for 3 months after vaccination and should be informed of the reasons for this precaution.” pg: 3
This happened to me. Through ivf. Private clinic would not progress without MMR. Luckily the NHS clinic were happy to proceed without MMR and thats how i went.
When I had my son couple years ago the hospital pushed for the MMR because I’m non immune. Every time a shift change nurse came in they all brought the vaccine with and gave me a speech about how it “really” should be done. ??
The dr threw a big fit while I was pregnant and had the nurse give me “info” cause I didn’t want the flu shot or tdap
Sadly a lot of doctors push vaccines on pregnant women too so be warned. They pushed every appointment (so we’re talking every 1-2 weeks at the end) for me to get a FLU SHOT when I was pregnant.. even though CDC specifically says it hasn’t been tested for safety on pregnant women AND this was in May/June/July/August!!! Not even “flu season” but my doctor tried telling me that flu season starts in May now ??
I had the Mmr vaccine as a part of green card processing and wasn’t immune to it during my pregnancies. Just pumped me with toxins and it was hard for me to conceive afterwards. Although my side of family is quite fertile and never had any problems with it.
are you trying to conceive currently? Did you have any adverse reactions when you got the vaccines?
No I’m done. I had three pregnancies, I lost my first boy to stillbirth at 37 weeks (developed cholestasis during pregnancy), it was 3 years after those vaccines.
But when I was 6 and in kindergarten (during Soviet era) they gave vaccines to all kids and I had a reaction! I felt unconscious for I don’t know how long. They didn’t ask parents consent whatsoever. My parents didn’t even know I had that reaction.
Good grief! After I had both my C-sections. They kept trying to push pain medication and stool softeners. I finally convinced them I didn’t need the pain medications I was feeling great. They kept on pushing stool softeners. Even though I am super regular 3-4 X a day. It didn’t change. Finally my last day they left me alone!
Yep my MIDWIFE tried to give the MMR vaccine to me while I was pregnant.. very scary and they all told me the Victim K shot was just vitamins.. I was also the only person they knew to ask questions about the Vitamin K shot and decline it.. Also only person to suggest not drinking the “orange drink” and substitute for smarties..
Looks like Ben Shapiro has joined the “conservative” mandatory vaccination bandwagon:
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Vaccines given in Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana causing infections,” read one headline that was suppressed to the deepest darkest depths of the search engine algorithm. After all, it’s hard to foster fear over a non-existent epidemic to encourage people to vote away their right to informed consent when the very medicines being mandated are found to be contaminated and causing infections. But that is exactly what happened.
As Gov’t Pushes Mandatory Vaccination, Contaminated Vaccines Found in 3 States Causing Infections
Looks like Washington state is taking away some vaccine exemptions:
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Had a follow up appointment with MD today for a health issue, he looked at my records and says “I see you haven’t gotten a flu shot in a few years”. Before I can tell him that is because I refuse to put needless chemicals in my body he says “that was smart, because the flu shot didn’t help one single person this year. it Never does.” Glad I didn’t need to argue about immunizations with this provider.
Look out Wisconsin: https://www.weau.com/content/news/-New-bill-would-allow-pharmacists-to-vaccinate-young-children-508970301.html
Looks like Argentina, no doubt as part of UN Agenda 2030, last year made vaccines mandatory: https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/esto-es-lo-que-necesitas-saber-sobre-la-nueva-ley/
In Illinois, it looks like, from these two articles below, that the state department of public health is will work with, among others, religious organizations and the state board of education to try and increase vaccination rates:
Illinois Department of Health taking steps to increase vaccination rates in the state
Here is a post from the vacine skeptic group:
So yesterday I got a letter from our “communities caring for children”. They looked up my child’s vaccine status without my consent and sent a letter stating how he needs to be caught up to “protect” him. I want to write back or even call because is this NOT a violation??
And yet another post from this group:
My baby had his first well visit today and it went so badly… My baby is healthy completely unvaccinated, exclusively breastfed and almost 11 pounds at 1 month old. However this doctor tells me I am not giving him the best quality of life because he is not vaccinated. I told her I haven’t had any shots since I was in elementary and she said don’t cut your child’s chances at living because you parents cut yours.. She told me to not come back if he im choosing not to vaccinate because she doesn’t want difficult parents.. Apparently there are too many diseases floating around this country (DOminican Republic) for me not to vaccinate.. it really scared my hubby he says I should chose some to give to him.. these conversations are so difficult!! Why is this choice so political! I’m getting frustrated .. She even said I have never hear of the 1 in 10,000 people who get a vaccine reaction only the many who get reactions from not doing it …
Here is a post from Shannon Joy:
MUST Watch.
This 22 year nurse blows the whistle on the CDC. Her children were diagnosed with Mumps after being fully vaccinated- the CDC refused to disclose that they were vaccinated in the official letter to the school district fueling a social media attack labeling her family ‘anti-vax’ …
Common sense and reason abound in this post.
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group from someone who said this about Rio Rancho High School in Rio Rancho New Mexico:
So I was just told that the high school near us is making the HPV vaccine mandatory! Wth! I thought my state was safe!
Here is anohter post from this group:
So my 16 year old daughter and I just had a educational discussion on vaccines because in SCHOOL BIOLOGY CLASS they are following the “measles outbreak” and “educating the kids on how important vaccines are!! I’m kind of upset about this.
And yet another post from this group:
“Merck founder George Merck famously told TIME magazine in 1956 that you don’t sell the drug; you sell the disease.
This time it’s measles, and the more the media can gin up hysteria about measles, the more, (and more often – don’t forget your “booster” shots) they can scare people into vaccinating their children. Merck makes the enormously profitable MMR vaccine administered to millions of non-consenting children; the potentially lethal Gardasil vaccine; and also the dangerous and arguably less-than-worthless Zostovax vaccine which has been the subject of several hundred shingles vaccine lawsuits.”
CBS news used this child photo to make people think he had the measles when in fact he had a reaction to the MMR vaccine.
https://www.dmlawfirm.com/vaccine-injured-child-used-to-push-vaccine-agenda/
And yet another post from this group:
You guys, I’m heartbroken ??
At 15 months old, my daughter suffered a severe reaction from her MMR vaccine. She spiked a 105° fever, and later had a seizure. She developed permanent allergic shiners around her eyes, suffers chronic ear infections, and was speech delayed, uttering just a handful of words by 4 years old. When she DID finally speak, she habitually repeated 3 words: “My belly hurts.” Today, she is 7 and still struggles with ALL of these issues.
My sister knows what happened to her niece. She also vaccinates her children. About 6 months ago, she really started to question vaccinating, and stopped bringing her baby in for well check ups. I was so proud! Her baby has SEVERAL PHYSICAL MARKERS of an MTHFR gene mutation, as well as horrific flare ups of dermatitis.
Well, this morning my sister took her (12 month!) baby in to the pedi and she convinced her to get MMRV. I’m devastated! She said she didn’t even “want to” but the doctor pressured her, because of the “outbreaks” NONE of which are close to us!
I’m COMPLETELY BESIDE MYSELF! HOW can someone literally see the results of vaccine damage, within their family, and still allow someone to jab your kid, even IF it goes agaibst your gut! How can parents just ignore the risk?! I know I’m more hurt by my sisters decision than I should be, but I it comes from a place of love for her & her child.
If she told me a product, ANYTHING hurt her child, I’d AVOID IT AT ALL COSTS for mine.
Why aren’t parents confident enough to use that same level of discernment when it comes to vaccines?
And some replies to this post:
I’m so sorry. I completely understand where you’re coming from. It blows my mind. I have experienced something similar recently and as difficult as it is, I have to walk away. I educate, make people aware, I live the life I live for a reason. Honestly some people just dont care or see the risks because they choose not to.
I truly hope your niece is able to overcome this and does not have permanent damage.
I have read far more stories of vaccine injuries and deaths than I have of injuries and deaths from diseases. For this reason I could not vaccinate my son. In my opinion vaccines are far more dangerous and deadly than the diseases they offer NO guarantees to prevent. I cannot fathom how anyone could risk their child’s health and life with a toxic shot to only “maybe” protect them from something that odds are wouldn’t kill them anyway
My sister recently had a baby and circumcised him and gave vaccines and vitamin k. Didn’t matter that 2 of my 4 kids have had vaccines reactions. She literally did no research, didn’t read the resources I recommended, nothing. All this after saying how upset she was when my 2nd was harmed. She’s watched how extremely healthy my kids are without vaccines. Stupid is as stupid does.
that is so sad that she would not listen to her wise sister. At least she can’t say she was never warned. I so wish someone had warned me about vaccines. I did question many medical professionals but all insisted they were safe and needed. I did at least have a few brain cells in that I spaced them out and only did 1 or 2 at a time with my oldest. But I so wish I could back in time and refuse ALL of them. I was a bit smarter with youngest who had none until age 2 and then only a couple. But he still get very sick from his one and only Dtap shot at age 5.
Some doctors are soooo good! I seriously swore my kids had vaccine injuries. My son did not walk for a month after his MMR! He was 4!!! I was bullied for 30 minutes and I caved! I was so stupid! My third spiked a fever!! High and then it ventured low for a long while…. he had GI issues and so many problems! I felt so stupid! It took my third child to be 100% woke!!! He stopped talking for two weeks and when he started talking again, he had same speech issues as other two children! I have videos of before and after!
And another post from this group:
Our local News just reported cdc is now recommending MMR vaccine at 6 months instead of 12 months old for international travel due to recent “outbreaks”?????? I’ll see if I can find the news clip I should have recorded it.
First Wisconsin wanted to simply ‘enable more people to get around barriers to vaccination’. Now they want to start taking away exemptions. Slippery slope: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/health/2019/04/30/amid-measles-scare-wisconsin-legislators-seek-end-vaccines-waiver/3626809002/
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Just saw a post on ELCA ministry talking about the possibility of not letting unvaxxed kids into VBS. There is 1 immune compromised volunteer, I asked about recently vaxxed since they shed and a nurse of 20 years came on and said there is no such thing as shedding. I said not very Christian to tell unvaxxed kids they cant come to vacation bible school.
And another post from this group:
PORTLAND, Ore. — A new bill that would allow dentists to administer vaccinations just passed the Oregon Legislature with unanimous support.
Next year, Oregon dentists will become the first in the nation to give their patients immunization shots. House Bill 2220 will allow dentists to give any vaccinations — from measles to HPV and annual flu shots.
Gov. Kate Brown is expected to sign the bill into law in the next day or two.
https://katu.com/news/local/new-law-will-allow-oregon-dentists-to-vaccinate-patients
A Colorado vaccination bill has been killed in the Senate: https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/02/vaccine-vaccination-bill-colorado-senate/
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
🙄🙄🙄🤦♀️
My little sister came home with this today…
Did I read that right? The child was vaccinated?!?!?🤔🤔🤔🙄
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And another post from this group:
So today I requested my entire medical record from my last delivery for personal reasons I was completely blown Away they snuck in a MMr shot wth and before I delivered my baby why ?
And some replies to this post:
I got my son’s records and he was given hepb the day after he was born and 3 days later. He has had a total if 5 doses of hep b.
note I used to be very pro vaccine and had him completely up to date until he was almost 2 and in 20 months he got 5 doses of this one.
They Are really pushing this vaccine stuff to dang far and now while your pregnant I don’t believe that’s safe at all and I believe anything and everything concerning my children should be my choice just makes me sick and I’m not sure the Ill effects it could have had seeing that my daughter was medflighted to a children’s hospital after delivery for respiratory distress
You’re absolutely right. It actually says right in the MMR insert that it is not to be administered to pregnant women. I’d raise some hell.
Get ALL your medical records as far back as possible. You will be appalled at the lies and mistakes. Mine had dozens and dozens of errors including saying I had an appendectomy that never happened.
How did you go about getting them? I was alone during and after birth because they wouldn’t allow my kids to come back with us so my husband had to stay home with them. We have no family or friends here.
I’m scared they snuck hep b and vit k in, I let them take her back for the ped to do a well check I guess and I’m regretting it
They did that too me too, stabbed me and said that it was “for German measles” without even asking me, I was half asleep from exhaustion when they did it!
I had an emergency c section. Didn’t know my son had any vaccines they kept me pretty doped up afterwards. I apparently consented after coming out of anesthesia. More reason to have a birth plan and have it signed by your doctor that’s going to be in your delivery. Edit to add: I severely hope they just charged my insurance. Fingers crossed 🤞
This is awful. When we came to NY, our first visit to a pediatrician ended up giving my daughter a shot which is not mandatory for school, without my consent, they first gave it and then told me. After, they wanted to give her a chickenpox shot, though she’s immune, as had chickenpox twice when was little. They didn’t even check her medical records from the embassy. If we didn’t come to America, I wouldn’t ever started my research to know what I know now. Thank you everyone that you are here to support and advice.
If you signed the consent to treat forms when you entered the hospital then you signed consent for them to give you anything they want.
this! My mom has said for years if something happened to her don’t take her to a hospital for this reason. And if we absolutely have to them to not leave her side. It says in admitting forms that the hospital will do whatever it deems necessary for your health. They lump vaccines under this and if you sign those forms they can pull that kind of crap.
yes, specifically they have included the term biologics, in consent forms, which is a term for vaccines. The third leading cause of death in the US is medical intervention.
They delete here after 10 years so what I have and lucky i had a lot as he was extremeyl sick from 2 weeks on (hep B ) now severely autistic seizures etc etc. But now am wondering about me…
They delete after yrs??? that’s actually scary! My 4th daughter had meningitis at 17 days old, no cause found.(15 days after hep b). Her cousin also had meningitis at months old, no cause found. I never hear reactions from hep b in particular!
yes in indiana at our hospital went to get my sons records from when he was around 5 hes 22 and they said everything gets destroyed after 10 years that seems criminal as there are a lot ofnpeople now who are looking back and will have no way of connecting the dots.
Looks like Twitter is now trying to suppress vaccine information: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/16/twitter-launches-feature-to-fight-misinformation-about-vaccines/
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Hepatitis A post
So there was a breakout in the Tampa Bay area and my company, along with a bunch others around here are mandating that we get the Hep A vaccine in order to keep our job or we are fired ..
For all the experts on here, can you provide me with proper information that I can do full on research to help decide .. I really don’t want to inject myself with any vaccines being that I’m a grown adult , but want to know the pros and cons. Anyone who has had it ? Just any information that can help. Please and thank you!
This poster said they were from blooming brands (carrabbas, outback, bonefish and Fleming’s steakhouse ).
And another post from this group:
The air Force is making me get the hpv vaccine, any ideas on how to get out of it? I’m male just FYI.
And some replies to this post:
I once faced a decision about leaving the Reserves and the anthrax vaccine. Luckily, this vaccine was soon made a requirement for only those deploying to certain regions. Still the entire force became a guinea pigs at one point. I also learned that a former chairman of the joint chiefs was on the board of the company that made this vaccine. People don’t realize how much freedom is given up when serving, this is one area. Best wishes to you.
Air Force Veteran here, not sure you have a choice. You could try talking to your supervisor or go to the First Sergeant and see what can be done. Likely you’ll have to get it or risk an LOC or LOR for not getting it.
the army use recruits as guinea pigs. They have much more vaccine than a regular civilian people. Soldiers are given anthrax vaccine, and malaria and all the exotic diseases vaccines we don’t even know about
Once you sign up for the military they own you. I know of a chiropractors son who was vaccine-free, went into the army and had to get all of his.
My husband is Air Force and he said this one is not mandatory as of now. Are they saying you are required to get it? He has not had to get this one and from when he looked this was classified as a volunteer one only at this point
I have a neighbor kid that went in the military last year. He told me a couple nights ago that he’s been a guinea pig to all kids of vaccines in the navy – and hasn’t even been told what’s in them – just that the military is testing them out. He told me some of the guys in his last group got super sick and had had to go get checked out by a doctor there.
My Dad. He was in the Army for 25 years and he was on tour twice. He said they lined them up while deployed nearly every morning to give them injections. And he had severe reactions to them one day and could not walk anymore. Also now that I am thinking about it my one retired friend in the army also said this.
I begged my son not to enlist. He did it anyway. They infiltrated his body with cancer shots oops I mean vaccines. When you enlist, you become their guinea pig. He’s been in two years. They even made him get what he proved he had already been vaccinated against (before I did my research!) Just the other day, he told his sister and me that ever since he got the vaccinations, his body has changed and that is also when he started to get acne.
President Clinton signed into law that vaccines are mandatory for all military personnel.
I was in the AF. I had a reaction to the mandatory flu shot. Within 2 seconds of the shot, felt like I was having a heart attack. Every year that followed, I went to the dr for a waiver. The first few years, they would give me a smaller dose intradermally. They said it was worthless, but allowed them to check the box saying I was vaxxed. Finally, after a few years, a wise and wonderful dr gave me a waiver. So, what I’m saying is, it’s just a matter of finding the right dr.
The irony is just overwhelming in this scenario. You want to fight for freedom, but in order to do that, you have to bend to the will of the powers that be. Something has gone very wrong in our country. I’m not sure it can be fixed.
It’s not even fighting for freedom. It’s fighting for what the corrupt government and ruling powers say to fight. Usually it’s about money and power. Never freedom.
Look what I found:
H.R. 2862: To amend the Public Health Service Act to provide for a national system for surveillance of vaccine rates, to authorize research on vaccine hesitancy, to increase public …
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr2862
Looks like Maine is clamping down on vaccine exemptions:
Look what else I found:
To amend the Public Health Service Act to condition receipt by States (and political subdivisions and public entities of States) of preventive health services grants on the establishment of a State requirement for students in public elementary and secondary schools to be vaccinated in accordance with the recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, and for other purposes.
And another congressional bill:
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
My foster child has to have MMR and Varicella vaccinations before I can adopt her next month. How long do these shed? I have a 15 month old unvaccinated and they play together all day long. How can I detox her and him if needed?
I found this post shared in a Colorado anti-Common Core group:
Poudre School District attendees:
Urgent need to comment by Tuesday to PSD. The new Sex Ed curriculum for 5th graders is available for viewing and comment at PSD admin building today and tomorrow, 7:30am-4:30pm 2407 Laporte Ave. The course recommends vaccination for pregnancy and measles to 5th graders! No informed consent, risks, “ask your parents.” Vaccines have NEVER been tested for safety on pregnant women, there is a FOIA request proving this. They also told kids that 4 out of 5 people will get HPV in their lifetime. No source, no information that 90% of people clear the virus who get it. They did not recommend HPV vaccine, but may as well have.
If you can, PLEASE go see the curriculum and make a comment about it being inappropriate to recommend medical procedures without informed consent and parental consent to children.
The person to comment to is: Laura Grissom lgrissom@psdschools.org 970-490-3105
I know I am not comfortable with my 5th grader learning about these things. Let’s keep it at reproductive anatomy and body changes they will be experiencing for this age.
Found this post shared in a vaccine skeptic group:
ACTION ALERT“HPV VACCINE – ENCOURAGE” RESOLUTION***
Synopsis As Introduced
Encourages adolescents in Illinois to receive the HPV vaccine to protect themselves against HPV infection and HPV-related cancers.
This resolution will be heard in the Senate Public Health Committee on Tuesday, May 28 at 11 a.m.
Resolution: http://ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=43&GAID=15&GA=101&DocTypeID=SJR&LegID=121479&SessionID=108
Step 1: File an OPPONENT witness slip.
I. IDENTIFICATION
Firm: Self
Title: Mr, Mrs, etc
II. REPRESENTATION: SELF
III. POSITION – OPPONENT
IV. TESTIMONY – RECORD of APPEARANCE ONLY
Step 2: Contact members of the Senate Public Health Committee.
http://ilga.gov/senate/committees/members.asp?CommitteeID=2337
Here is another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
So our wonderful governor has decided to sign a bill eliminating personal and religious objections to vaccines ?? I’ve gone 9 years protecting my babies and in 21/22 school year I will be forced to vaccinate my 9 and 7 year old for them to attend public school. I don’t know what to do ~ we’ve tired the homeschool thing in the past and it wasn’t working for us.
And yet another post from this group:
CDC getting your kid’s science teachers to market HPV vx in school via curriculum ! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31161606
Here is a post from Shannon Joy:
ALERT! A bill to eliminate parental rights and religious exemptions for vaccines is being voted on TODAY!
Your call could HELP!!!
Details below —–>
Assembly bill A2371a, the bill to eliminate the religious exemption from vaccine mandates to attend school, Is on the agenda for the Assembly Health Committee this Thursday, June 13. See: https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?sh=agen2
We have also learned that the bill has been scheduled for a floor debate today which will culminate in a vote on the bill. The session will begin at 10 am today in the Assembly Chamber on the third floor of the Capitol building.
we have an unconmfirmed report that the Senate Health Committee may consider the bill today, but there is no possibility of us stopping the bill there.
Your child’s religious exemption is on the line. The meeting will be “off the floor,” meaning inside the Assembly Chambe,r and not accessible to the public. We need to pack the lobby to the Assembly with as a very visible statement. Anything is possible in Albany, but we do not believe there are the votes to pass the bill in the Assembly Health Committee. Let’s use our physical presence as an incentive for the Assembly to do the right thing and vote ‘No” on A2371a.
If you value your child’s religious exemption please come to Albany on Thursday. Call ahead for an appointment with your State Senator and Assemblymember or their staffs. But if you can’t get an appointment, stop by their office and ask if they can spare a few minutes to talk about the bill. Always be polite.
You can also ask to see the legislator “off the floor.” That is a meeting in the lobby of the Assembly on the third floor of the Capitol. Give a note with your name, and what you want to talk about, and the name of your Assemblymember, to the doorman and they will give it to the member and sometimes they come out and talk to you and sometimes they don’t.
If you have a vaccine-injured child who has a religious exemption because your doctor would not give you a medical exemption due to the difficulty of getting a medical exemption, or fear of investigation please write up your story in a letter and bring multiple copies, and then share your story with your legislators or their staff.
Please share this message widely via and email and social media. If we can keep 13 of the 26 votes on the Health committee we may be able to stop this.
Please share with everyone you talk to that according to the NYC Department of Health there have only been 5 new reported cases of measles in NYC during June (in a city of 8.5 million people.) Clearly the outbreak of measles is just about over. There were 172 new cases in April, and 73 new cases in May.
Please call your Assemblymember and ask him or her to oppose A2371a.
Asm. Anthony H. Palumbo
(518) 455-5294
Please call your State Senator and ask him or her to oppose S2994a.
Sen. Kenneth P. LaValle
(518) 455-3121
Please call each of the members of the health committee below and urge them to vote “No” on A2371a
Democrats:
Kevin A. Cahill: 518-455-4436, (845) 338-9610
Steven Cymbrowitz: 518-455-5214, (718) 743-4078
Nader J. Sayegh: 518 455 3662, (914) 779-8805
Robin Schimminger: 518-455-4767, (716) 873-2540
Ron Kim: 518-455-5411 (718) 939-0195
Rodneyse Bichotte: 518-455-5385, (718) 940-0428
Charles Barron: 518-455-5912, (718) 257-5824
Michaelle C. Solages: 518-455-4465, (516) 599-2972
Aileen M. Gunther: 518-455-5355, (845) 794-5807 and (845) 342-9304
Sandy Galef: 518-455-5348, (914) 941-111
Amy Paulin: 518-455-5585, (914) 723-1115
Linda B. Rosenthal: 518-455-5802, (212) 873-6368
Phil Steck: 518-455-5931, (518) 377-0902
Edward C. Braunstein: 518-455-5425, (718) 357-3588
Andrew Hevesi: 518-455-4926, (718) 263-5595
Ellen Jaffee: 518-455-5118, (845) 624-4601
Jeffrey Dinowitz: 518-455-5965, (718) 796-5345
Republicans:
Kevin Byrne: 518-455-5783, (845) 278-2923
Marjorie Byrnes: 518-455-5662, (585) 218-0038
David McDonough: 518-455-4633, (516) 409-2070
Andrew Garbarino: 518-455-4611, (631) 589-0348
Jake Ashby, 518-455-5777, (518) 272-6149
Ed Ra: 518-455-4627, (516) 535-4095
Andrew Raia: 518-455-5952, (631) 261-4151
Key talking points:
Students with religious exemptions are only one out of 1000 people in the state,
Students with religious exemptions are less than 1% of students statewide,
Students with religious exemptions are less than .5% of students in NYC,
There are eight times as many students without religious exemptions who have not had the MMR vaccine as people with religious exemptions according to the CDC. A2371 nothing about that.
With the Democrats: This bill is established that the State has the power to tell people what to do with their bodies and their children’s bodies? What ever happened to “My body, my choice.”
With the Republicans: This bill is a gross infringement on parental and religious rights and takes away a right we have always had in New York for no rational reason.
We have no data at all showing that students with religious exemption have any role in the outbreak.
Even Mayor de Blasio admitted that. https://www.politico.com/…/de-blasio-measles-reality
How are children with IEPs and 504 plans going to get the services that school districts must provide, whether the child is in school or not? And how much is this going to cost?
What is going to happen to the students who have medical problems deserving of a medical exemption who were told by their doctors to go get a religious exemption because getting a medical exemption is so difficult. Senator Gustavo Rivera, Chair of the Senate Health Committee, has a bill right now, S477, to fix this problem.
Please share this message with friends and family, and please share on social media while we still can.
Here is a post from the California anti-radical sex ed group:
The erosion of parental rights is progressing at an alarming rate. Regardless of what your thoughts are regarding immunizing, this is yet another example of a school bypassing parental consent and knowledge. Something which is becoming the norm.
Colorado pushing more vaccinations. I’m sure the Commie governor’s talks of respecting religious exemptions is a ploy to get us off our guard and that the statists will later revoke the exemptions based on “important new research” that they found based on doctored studies that they made so that they will declare the “need” to get rid of the exemptions later as part of the Healthy People 2020 agenda: https://koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/2019/06/13/governor-polis-seeks-to-boost-child-vaccinations-respect-exemptions/
Here is a post from Shannon Joy:
OPEN LETTER TO LEGISLATORS REGARDING FETAL CELL DNA IN VACCINES …
And another post from her:
I feel like crying. Honestly.
While looking up this group for supporting an evil vaccine bill in NY, I came across them mentioning another vaccine bill that would allow treatment and diagnosis of STDs, including, if they think it necessary, vaccination of minors WITHOUT parental consent: https://www.nysacho.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/2019_NYSACHO-SUPPORTS-A973_S3899_STD-treatment_minors_without_parental_consent.pdf
Here is a post from Karen Bracken:
These are the kind of laws they pass in Communist countries. It is clear that NY is being run by a band of Communists.
BUT understand, any law that violates your constitutional rights is not a law any of us have to follow.
Get a lawyer if your child is denied access to PUBLIC SCHOOL because you refuse to inject poison into your child’s body.
If the people of New York do not fight back on this issue don’t be surprised when they start mandating other controls on you and your children.
The issue here is NOT vaccines but do you want the government to mandate what you put into your body or the body of your children.
If they can do it with vaccines what will be next…..believe me there WILL be a “next.”
PULL YOUR KIDS OUT OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS and keep them out until they repeal this law. Believe me it won’t take long.
And another post from her:
A message about Gardasil from TN Director of Eagle Forum, Bobbie Patray. Very important information!!
https://www.votervoice.net/EAGLE/newsletters/33427
This New York bill would allow for involuntary and possibly, indefinite, detainment of those deemed public health risks for communicable diseases: https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A00099&term=2019&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y
Here is a post that I found on Facebook:
SB276 passed today. Children in California have been stripped of their medical exemptions.??
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
“This year, we’ve seen an unprecedented push to implement censorship across all online platforms, making obtaining and sharing crucial information about health in general, and vaccines in particular, increasingly difficult
Google’s June 2019 update, which took effect June 3, has effectively removed Mercola.com from Google search results
When entering a health-related search word into Google, you will no longer find Mercola.com articles in the search results. The only way to locate Mercola articles is by adding “Mercola.com” to the search word(s) in question
Mercola’s fully referenced content has been at the top of health search results for over 15 years
If undesirable pages don’t vanish automatically in the new algorithm, Google’s quality raters will manually manipulate crowdsourced relevance to bury the page or pages”
And another post from this group:
From New York: they are now threatening CPS if parents don’t comply and get their kids vaccinated!!!
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And another post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Well Meghan McCain is the next “celebrity” to come out on twitter telling people to vaccinate their kids!
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Heads up in Ohio: https://myfox28columbus.com/news/scoring-our-schools/recent-proposal-would-allow-private-schools-to-refuse-enrollment-of-unvaccinated-kids
Looks like the New York vote to get rid of the religious exemption may have broken the rules. https://vimeo.com/user96021884/review/345081341/a81efb8027
More bad news in Ohio, according to this post shared in the vaccine skeptic group:
URGENT ACTION ALERT: Removal of Vaccine Exemption Rights for ALL Ohio School Students…
On July 6, 2019, the Dayton Daily News reported that “Senate Education Committee Chairwoman Peggy Lehner, R-Kettering, is pushing a bill to only allow Ohio children to skip vaccinations for medical reasons… Lehner and state Sen. Sandra Williams, D-Cleveland, this week asked colleagues to join them in sponsoring a bill to remove all non-medical exemptions from vaccine requirements for children attending public schools or child care facilities.”
TAKE ACTION NOW!
1 – SIGN the letter of opposition, which will email your opposition to the Senators! Sign here: https://ohioamf.org/initiatives/proposed-senate-bill-removing-vaccine-exemption-rights-for-all-ohio-school-students/#contact
2 – CAHeLL, email, or visit if you can, the Senators to express your disapproval of this proposed bill. Contact info here: https://ohioamf.org/…/proposed-senate-bill-removing-vacci…/…
3 – CALL, email, or visit if you can, your State Senator to express your disapproval of this proposed bill. Find your Senator: https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislato…/senate-directory
Another NY school has threatend to call CPS over non-compliance with the NY vaccine mandate: https://pjmedia.com/trending/second-ny-school-threatens-to-call-cps-over-non-compliance-of-mandatory-vaccination-law/
Here is a sad post from the vaccine skeptic group:
On July 1st,2019, my 11 year old daughter was finally diagnosed with autism… 😔 While it’s bitter sweet, we waited five long, awful years wth no help or services.. All programs denied her services because she is “high-functioning”. Being a single parent, being the only one to try for her, I failed her so often, being a sensory adult…
In fifth grade, my girl was restrained, suspended, talked down to, made to feel like absolute crap because she can’t keep up with the academics and is forced to work at the rate of her peers… The last time there was an incident, they set her up for failure.. They knew their decision would make her break down. By the time I picked her up, her eyes had no whites left to them…
My baby Auzilyn was a normal baby, seemingly.. She was on time for all her shots… But after her round at about seven months, she changed… I wouldn’t know until almost three years later what caused her regression. Her eye suffered nerve damage, as well…
😔💔
For 11 years of my beautiful child’s life, she’s been treated like a bomb. Evacuate the room from my ticking child, about to explode.. Make sure she feels inadequate.. They’ve told me she manipulates, they say she makes these decisions to get her way. And that’s where they stop the statement. They don’t say, she does it for a reason.. It isn’t because she has a need, at all… They suspended her for a week, because of what her diagnosis manifests… After consistently making her feel that she’s wrong..
I refuse to send her to middle school. This district is run by morons…
And another post from this group:
Vermont has a mandatory immunization registry.. Conveniently the health commissioner is allowed to give out the names and addresses of minors to college professors that double as reporters for the new york times….WTF
Here is a post that was shared by Shannon Joy:
The New York Exodus begins
Religious persecution and medical apartheid drive New Yorkers from their homes
Yesterday we received word from two upstate New York families who as a consequence of the repeal of the religious exemption from vaccine mandates to attend school, have put their homes up for sale, and both families, coincidentally, are moving to South Carolina. We have heard from many families who are talking about moving, but this is two actual listings in one day. And many more are sure to come.
These are young, intact families, hardworking people engaged in their communities. One of the families celebrated the birth of a daughter this week. And they see no future for themselves or their children in the State of New York.
People leaving upstate NY is nothing new. Hundreds of thousands of upstate New Yorkers have left for economic reasons. But these families have secure jobs. They are fleeing something new: state-sanctioned religious persecution, and medical apartheid. Our governing class has created something new: religious refugees fleeing New York.
Population loss was once a problem confined to the upstate rustbelt and farming areas. Now it is statewide according to information released this spring by the US Census Bureau. New York City, Long Island and Westchester are all losing population. People continue to vote with their feet. And now we have one more reason to leave. Never mind what may be in store for us.
If you are leaving New York because of the repeal of the religious exemption, please let us know. Please contact John Gilmore at jgilmore@autismactionnetwork.org.
Your information will be kept strictly confidential. If you aren’t worried about confidentiality, contact your Assemblymember, State Senator and the Governor’s office and let them know that you are leaving and why.
And some replies to this post:
We sold our home on Long Island, moved up to Saratoga NY for a slower pace of life, and now here we are …3 little kids who can’t go to school! Weighing our options, considering going to Vermont or Massachusetts but there’s already a bill on the table for both those states to end religious exemption.. afraid to make a move and then for it to ultimately happen there too
exactly! I truly think its sickening in America that we as a people dont have consent over our bodies&that of our children(according to people who made these laws and ruining our federal government) it wont be long before every state goes this way so no matter where you live it will happen unfortunately as I foresee it! Then what! We as a people need to stand up &fight for those rights! Right now, unless you give in and move you are just a small# to these corrupt politicians. !
just to be aware – there is also a federal bill on the table…so there is an actual possibility of this becoming a national mandate with one fell swoop
We are moving as well. Live in NY listed our house and sold in a week. Moving to SC as well. It stinks and this is not what my family intended, but I can not live in a state that has taken my rights away. I will not support them with my tax dollars anymore especially since my kids are no longer welcomed at school.
Yes we left NY 2 weeks ago for Charlotte NC. I will never let my children be vaxxed again as my daughter already suffered a permanent cognitive disability from vaccines. She is 7 now and functions on a 2-3 yr old level and still in diapers. We have already suffered enough.
My husband is already interviewing for jobs out of state and if he takes one, then the house goes up for sale and we leave. He has an excellent job here with amazing pay, but having kids home everyday to homeschool means I can never return to work myself. Time to go elsewhere that will allow us to make medical choices for our own kids.
This is my exact story. Upstate NY, loving it here, great jobs, fantastic schools, our kids are thriving, our home is beautiful. But we can’t keep any of it because of the vaccine mandate. I’ll send an email.
So sad. Then when all other states follow, we will have a war. This is the reason we came to America in the first place. Freedom. It didnt take long for those in power to take it away.
Exactly. This is outrageous. My father is dead, 11+ years Army, fighting for this countrys “freedom,” it enrages me. Such a lie.
I’m so sick over this. I’m disgusted by what is being done and even more disgusted by those turning a blind eye because it doesn’t affect them yet.
I was born and raised in NY. I wish me and my husband could move! Unfortunately our jobs are keeping us here. We are struggling over this vaccine mandate. I am disgusted and upset that my children have to suffer at the hands of money and politics!
We will be moving as well. Have 8 kids I’m due with 9th soon. Loved living here, just bought a new home but now we are looking where to move that we can still not vaccinate and keep our religious and conservative beliefs.
We have been trying to play around with where we are going to be moving if this unjust law is not lifted. I have a 2 year old daughter and we are looking to leave before she starts school. That include my mother and my sister as well. We are all small business owners in Long Island. My family has a chiropractic business for over 30 years here and I myself have a therapy practice for the last 5 years.
We are considering moving as well because of the RE Repeal. Why should we pay exorbitant school taxes when our children are not allowed to attend!
My family has to separate my other half works for the state his whole life 8 years shy of retirement my children and I unfortunately must leave even if I home school my autistic son cant get services my whole family is heartbroken for our family and many others
Unfortunately, some can’t afford to leave. I know of one family that spent all their money to get to NY because there was a program they wanted their child to be in. Now this mandatory vaccinations happened, and they are stuck, feeling forced to do something they don’t want to and should not do. They both need to work, so homeschooling isn’t an option. Plus, their child is pretty severe and needs the extra support. Sad really!!!!
Sadly, we are preparing to uproot our family due to similar mandates here in New Brunswick, Canada. All we can hope is our Charter or Rights protects our choice.
My husband and I are seriously in discussion about moving out of NY for precisely those reasons listed above. It has been tough economically living on LI even with two good jobs but this is inexcusable and we do not see a future for ourselves or our children here as a result
We are leaving the state hopefully before Sept because of this law. My son has an IEP and requires a 12 month program and homeschooling is not an option since according to DOE I am not qualified to meet his specific needs. He is regressing significantly since not being able to return to his program. It has been 3 weeks and counting. I have 3 children and this cannot continue for us therefore we are currently in the process of moving
Shame on Florida! https://thehighwire.com/florida-moves-to-axe-religious-limit-medical-vaccine-exemptions/
Here is a post from an anti-Common Core group:
Heads up, Massachusetts. If you are like our family, with auto-immune disease, MTHFR and prior vaccine reactions, you’re going to want to fight this.
Here is an article that Shannon Joy shared to me: https://thevaccinereaction.org/2015/08/how-plumbing-not-vaccines-eradicated-disease/
Here is a post from a Utah anti-Common Core group:
anyone have experience with ut connections academy? school starts Monday but they will not continue the registration for my son because he is missing 2 shots, tdap and hpv. Why is immu required for online school to register or attend???
And here are the replies to this post:
You can opt out of vaccines in Utah.You just have to get the exemption form. You can do it online or in person @ the Health Dept. They can’t keep you out because you don’t vaccinate
http://health.utah.gov/immu/information%20for%20the%20public/immunization%20recommendations/exemptions.html
You can even hand write a note that it expresses a religious exception. Those cost 0 dollars. It is against most religions to potentially harm your children. Most religions anyway.
And the HPV vaccine is voluntary anyway. Don’t do it.
You can take an online module and get an exemption online at your county health department’s website.
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
My kindergartener brought home a flu vaccine consent form. I’m not filling it out and she has a medical exemption but I’m still paranoid they’ll give it to her 😕
And here are the replies to this post:
Keep her home that day!
If she has a medical exemption that would defiantly be one hell of a law suit if they give it to her. They shouldnt have even given her a form. Contact the school and find out what day. I wouldnt care what they said i would keep her home that day
I tell my kids to start screaming, kicking, biting, etc and yell my parents will sue. They know vaccines are poison and painful.
this! I told my daughter to immediately say call my mom and throw a huge fit if needed!
yes I teach mine the same thing!
Yep my kids were thought to run nothing in
Yep, I taught them where to hit to make it count and to scream as loud as they can. Also, we homeschool.
They will. I wouldnt send her to school on that day.
They’ll vaccinate them all. I would keep your kiddo home that day. They’ll just line them up, shot, next, repeat.
My daughters school has done things I didnt sign for like flouride rinse when I specifically told them no. The day they do the vaccines, do yourself a favor, keep your kid at home,
Absolutely keep her home from school that day.
It’s a consent form, they already know how screwed they would be if they gave her the shot anyway.
It’ll be fine.
Have them sign their own release form written by you stating they will be held responsible if they give her the vaxx w/o your express consent as she has a Med. Exemption.
In California consent is implied by sending them to school on vaccination days
I saw where one school a mom wrote all over the form NO consent, DO NOT vaccinate and they said bringing the form back WAS consent and vaccinated!!😳💔
That paper it’s for them to know they give you the paper just to be safe it’s doesn’t me they are going to do anything
My daughter was vaccinated with HPV in NICU even though I refused multiple times and said that I’d get it done by her pediatrician. Just because your situation worked out doesn’t mean everyone’s does 😕
She got a full body rash that lasted weeks afterwards and she’s also got extreeeeeeeeeemly sensitive skin now 😕
I think maybe you mean the hep b vaccine? Not HPV? (Surely to God they didn’t give your baby HPV in the NICU!!!)
I keep my kids home flu shot day. For their note I write a nice letter explaining how according to the w.h.o. attendence is considered consent and considering I do not nor ever will consent they had to stay home.
It’s a page worth of note that I dig up facts for every year (gotta keep it utd 😉 ).
There have been MANY cases of children getting it after their child has been excused from it per the form.
How is that legal to give your kid a flu shot f you sign a consent excusing them? That has to be a lawsuit.
Not in the current environment. And I don’t want to be the parent who moves forward with a lawsuit because my child has vaccine damage. Be suspicious.
Keep her home from school.
A local group to me was just discussing this and their kids and friends kids were vaccinated regardless of no signiture and regardless of medical exemption.
They say if your kid is there then its implied consent.
🙄
My biggest fear. I would not send her to be honest. Or I would drill my girl and mark her arms. She also has an exemption. But we’ve all seen things before of “accidents”
Remove her from public school immediately!!! If not, they may kidnap her and you may never see her again. It’s happening everywhere.
uhh what ….🙄 I would keep my kid home to assure she doesn’t receive the shot. You can be kidnapped anywhere.
Child Protective Services kidnaps kids when parents don’t comply.
They give flu shots at school?! Are they part of the mandate??? They have so much aluminum and they do have mercury
Find out when it will be given and keep her home. Too many people have related stories about refusing vaccines and them being given anyway, because these corrupt ‘health providers’ have said that the child’s attendance is taken as consent to vaccinate.
Keep her home on those days! Also tell her to kick scream yell and throw the biggest hissy fitif they try to give her anything&she will get rewarded for it!
Not filling out the form is mistaken as consent, marking out things on the form or writing NO on it then signing it is also often used as consent. Please keep your child home, and teach your child what to do if they are ever coerced or forced to take a shot. My children knew, to say No my mom will sue you, they also knew to kick scream, punch, bite, etc all while yelling help. 🤷🏻♀️ you can never be too safe!
Same here, my kindergartener brought one home too. I didn’t sign and send in, however, his teacher said she doesn’t know what day they will give the vaccine, I want to keep my child home that day!!
Here is a post from Shannon Joy:
Google + Vaccine Industry.
What could possibly go wrong?
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/google-joins-pharmaceutical-industry
As I predicted would start to happen, now the state of California is cutting off government assistance to those that don’t vaccinate:
https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20192020/AB283/
Here is a post that was shared in a vaccine skeptic group:
Gonna get your guns to avoid adult mandates, eh? People are really talking like this. I lose hope for the anti vax movement when I see this. Any good general knows that the quality of his troops is very important in determining the outcome of a battle, and thus the war. This is why they train. Is this the extent of your ability to think through what is going on here?
They are not going to be coming door to door forcing adults to get vaccines. Instead, they are going to tie basic functions to vaccination status. Bank accounts. Passports. Driver’s licenses. Jobs. Etc.
It is fun to imagine a gun battle with the cdc cops and their needle junkies, kind of like what we’ve all seen in movies, but that is not how this is happening. It is creeping.
Want to work with kids? Want to be a firefighter? Work in health care, which accounts for one fifth of the jobs now?
I had a friend who worked as a temp in the office of a construction company involved in remodeling a hospital. Not even on the hospital grounds, and she had to get her flu shots. As just one example of how adult mandates are already progressing.
I knew a young man who wanted to become a firefighter but had no way to enter the academy without getting his shots.
In another example of something that actually already happened, in one Missouri county, to combat a hep A outbreak, all employees at 500 restaurants in the area had to get their hep A shots before they could return to work. What are you going to do with your gun then? Are you going to shoot the boss? The health department head? The governor? The county supervisor? Is that going to solve the problem?
If people can’t think for themselves, fine. Let them be followers. Sadly, they can’t do that either. I am pretty sure we’re fucked.
The anti vax movement is not really a movement. The leaders are celebrities, not generals, let alone organizers. Kvetch all you like, but men like Guevara, Chavez and Castro were generals with vision, understanding, plans, organizations. They surrendered their privileges, lived in the jungles, spent time in the prisons of their enemies. They and their troops devoted themselves fully to their cause, and won.
In the anti vax movement there is no understanding of strategy or tactics and no interest in learning or discussing. There is no training, no aim but mindless fear. No story that provides a workable frame, a way to get a handle on the situation and engage in a way that produces results.
If we are lucky we stave off the worst of a school mandate while all the jobs and social tools like passports are locked behind vax compliance and all our neighbor’s children are succumbing.
There are no guerilla hideouts, no long term plans, no vision of an alternate world. Everybody is just hoping to deflect the needle from their child for another moment. Soldiers on the battlefield dodging bullets without anybody who has a sense of the meaning or purpose of the war.
Why are they coming for us? Do you really think it is all because Bill Gates and George Soros want to kill all humans? Do you really think if we can convince the rest of the people of this, we are going to stop vaccine mandates and save the next generation of children?
Even if this is the case, what is your strategy? Is it private? Do you think you are going to fend this off on your own? With two or three like minded friends? You gonna dig a toilet in the mountains and figure out how to make mountain lion stew?
I don’t claim to have all the answers, but if we don’t start asking the questions and discussing the possibilities now, we’ll be left brandishing our gun at the nineteen year old kid who tells us we can’t get our money out of the bank because we haven’t had our shots.
If we want an effective strategy, it has to be at the level of the opponent’s strategy. Agenda 21 level, or really, even far deeper than that. We are currently dodging incoming fire, and there is nobody at hq. There isn’t even an hq.
Here is another post from this group:
My great-aunt was recently admitted into a nursing home (against our wishes,) and the nursing home is requiring all visitors to show proof of a flu vaccine just to be able to visit??? 😡😡
And the replies to this post:
Pretty sure that is not legal
I asked my best friend about it and she told me that when she used to volunteer at a nursing home, they also started requiring flu shots for everyone. Not sure how long ago homes started doing this because I used to volunteer too with no issues
Ask to see this rule in writing. ALL they are doing is trying to protect their employees. Call offs due to the flu are an inconvenience to them. To hell with the patients. They could probably care less about them. They are merely $$$$$$. and I do not mean this to the people on the low end of the totem pole. It is the big cheese who makes the cash.
Ridiculous! My mom was in a nursing home, given routine flu shots, and then had to be in quarantine for a few days on a regular basis, due to flu going around. Now, if the vaccine worked, why did they get the flu and have to be quarantined in their rooms? 🤔
And the flu shot only works like 15% of the time, so an unvaccinated bloke like me is as capable of spreading it as a fully vaxxed nurse
it doesn’t work and they know it. They also know the seniors flu Vaccine is super toxic with many serious side effects like pneumonia….. That’s what put our dad in hospital winter just gone…and he got flu whilst in hospital…
Ask them if they keep visitors away that actually have the flu!! And I’ll
guarantee you their employees are still required to show up for work with the flu unless it’s really bad. (“We’re shorthanded”)
But we all need that shot!! 🙄
My mom is an RN and would NEVER reccomend flu shot for anyone. She sees that everyone that gets the shot ends up with the flu or very sick
We hear that story more and more! So sad. ☹️
This is what happens when people are controlled by the medical careers they’ve chosen. Rx funding also drives people to make stupid decisions in those careers.
That’s stupid. I heard that whenever they give flu shots to residents in nursing homes, most of them become ill and some DIE!!!
that’s true, flu and pnuemococcal vaccine kill more than they save. Especially in the elderly
it the whole idea is to sterilize and kill people off with the chronic illne$$… a sick and indebted population can’t fight back
I know a nurse who works at a hospital where there were 6 deaths from flu shot in one month. They were under a gag order. Anyone who believes the bs about these vaccines is brainwashed. I’m agrain for us all.
Nursing homes need to pay the rent. Flu vaccine will guarantee that. Mercury in the vaccine will produce plenty of patience w dementia.
And another post from this group:
I cant comment on a recent post, it was closed to comments…. concerning politics. But I have to say I no longer can support Bernie, the sticker is removed from my car. My sticker now says “my child my choice”. our rights are being taken away and our politicians are sleeping with Pharma. its scary times people
And here are the replies to this post:
What politician doesn’t support BIG pharma? There’s more issues at stake than madatory vaccines which can always be fought, or you can homeschool.
We are fighting mandatory vaccines in CA and it is appalling the corruption that has been exposed around this issue. Yet, our politicians are moving forward in taking away the rights of a parent to make this important medical decision. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj7CYtDZjTU&t=2101s
My point is there’s a whole lot at stake here besides mandatory vaccines, and no politician is going to be your savior in that department, not even Trump. Our Federal government and BIG pharma may as well be one in the same. There are so many other issues that affect your children and their future. You can’t cast your vote based on one issue. You can, but it wouldn’t be smart. You won’t vote for Bernie, who will you vote for? What politician doesn’t support BIG pharma? Even Corey Booker the vegan for animal rights and the planet takes money from pharmaceutical vivisectors and votes in pharma’s favor and against we the people. Is tossing your support for Bernie a really a good idea? Are you sure, because from my point of view he’s the only one I see bending towards the rights of the people instead of the will of corporations. I’m not trying to be an @**, just want to know if there’s something you know that I don’t.
and not everyone can give up their jobs which support the family to homeschool meanwhile they are paying taxes for others to be educated.
I cry every day over these posts, I chose not to vaccinate my child thirty seven years ago, I was called crazy but I didn’t care I knew in my heart it was all wrong, what is happening right know it’s beyond scary , my daughter is going thru hell to keep her children vaccine free, she got tested when she was pregnant and is immune to everything, vac free, they were trying to scare her into a chicken pox shot sixteen years ago, since her awesome immune system came back her doctor writes all her exemptions, flat out tell doctors to test your immune system before pushing anything on you.
The reality is, if you support the current crony capitalistic system, you are supporting CORPORATE SOCIALISM, where rich corporations like Amazon and Walmart and billionaires like Trump himself gets huge tax cuts using YOUR taxes and the small guy like you and me gets the short end of the stick. As MLK Jr. said “we have socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor”.
I don’t fall for the tricks of the Republicans, or Democrats anymore. They’re both corrupt af. Know that Trump isn’t your ally. Smh.
As a lifelong Dem, pains me to say I can’t vote for most of them these days. Except Marianne Williamson, God Bless Her!
I was a life long Dem, too…..grew up in the South but now I have to just look at the individual and what they stand for that I agree with. The major two parties have kind of switched their policies over time. It makes me sick to think of all the money going to politicians in general. The grassroots people we elect that are just regular working class don’t take long to start accepting that money and then when they finally leave Congress they are millionaires.
Politicians sleeping with Pharma is just the tip of the Iceberg…wait until you see what is uncovered in the next months. Already 1000 Elites caught in the fallout from Epstiens arrest. There is more…so much more! Let me leave you with this…1871 was a pivotal year!
And yet another post from this group:
The latest!?! WTH!
Lyme Disease vaccine set to become available soon, as first trials successfully passed
And here are the replies to this post:
There is already a Lyme vaccine for humans. It’s a set of three vaccines. Two you get 6 months apart.
I follow a person with Lyme disease who posts articles that it is a bio-weapon engineered by man…
That is true. Lyme was weaponized in the 50’s on Plum Island Lab 257.
so I cannot imagine what a ‘vaccine’ would do to the human body.
The man the Lyme bacteria is named after says he worked for the military weaponizing arachnids and ticks.
https://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-weaponized-ticks-lyme-disease-investigation-1449737
I have lyme disease and the lyme disease community in general already knows this is BS and this vaccine has been attempted before and it gave people lyme disease.
I posted about this on my page as well
Pfizer whistleblower speaks of the nightmare that is the discontinued vaccine lymerix.
Cryme Disease: The Lyme Cryme Against Humanity
TRUTH from the LYMErix whistleblower
LYMErix caused the same disease as “chronic Lyme.” Therefore, the question to ask about “Lyme disease” is, WHAT WAS THE VACCINE?
The vaccine(s) (one made it on the market; one didn’t), were OspA–recombinant proteins from the DNA code (plasmid) spliced into E. coli. The gene product did not contain DNA and is not DNA.
It is a highly toxic triacylated lipoprotein–a fungal-type antigen (TLR2/1 agonist) that causes septic shock. It caused the adverse events that the “vaccine” trial administrators sought to exclude from the trial data to say that OspA, which NEVER could have been a vaccine, actually was a vaccine.
Tick bite sepsis victims often ask, “How does this apply to me? I never got the vaccine.”
OspA is on the blebs that are shed by spirochetes. They “stealth-bomb” (Alan Barbour) the immune system. So they took the absolute worst part of the Lyme spirochetes–the part that causes an AIDS-like, post-septic shock condition– and said it was a vaccine. It was the unraveling of the LYMErix fraud that showed us what “Lyme disease” IS and ISN’t.
Lyme was released and now there is a vaccine for it military-=government-=cdc =control
Yeah, some mentioned the previous failed one. Where to even start. I’ve been in this lyme world for almost 3 and a half years. Childhood vaccines if they don’t damage you right away, set the stage for your immune system to go haywire 10-20+yrs later. There are so many that say their lyme nightmare began after a tdap. Vaccines revealed I think it was mentioned the Lyme disease explosion after HS vax campaigns. The tick thing is to make you fear nature. That 5000yr old ice man Otzi was said to have lyme. Most persons do but aren’t sick.
Also forgot. That autism one vid that mentions spirochetes found in vax.
This explains why we are hearing so much about lyme disease lately.
Supposedly lyme disease was already in the vaccines
This totally explains why Lyme is happening all over the country now… To push a vaccine.
Here is a post from the vaccine skeptic group:
Heads up to Massachusetts members.
https://malegislature.gov/Bills/191/SD2548
There’s a lot to read there, but note that all exemptions as proposed would be required to be submitted to and approved by the state. With regard to religious exemptions (note there is another Bill – H.3999 – Pending to remove religious exemption outright), note that they are saying this too would require healthcare provider signature prior to submission to the state for “approval” (no such approval is required now by the state for religious exemptions). Think of all the doctors who would simply refuse to endorse religious exemptions. I suspect the idea here is to have H.3999 quietly throw out religious exemptions on the side, simplifying this SD.2548 bill to just pertain to medical exemptions – Requiring the state to track and approve all said exemptions.
They really are pushing all states quietly at the same time.
Here is a post from another vaccine skeptic group:
Saw this shit at rite aid lol ?! Seriously now their bribing people with free ice cream if they get a flu shot ew … 🤦🏻♀️😾💩
And some replies to this post:
They bribe people with chicken at Hyvee
You get $10 at my grocery store.😢
My insurance (state) offers to pay you when you get vaccinated 🙄
To me, that just SCREAMS that there’s something sketchy going on.
“Pay us to take care of your healthcare needs, but we’ll pay you to do this one thing.”
Yeah, that just looks like one of those “too good to be true” kind of things from the get go.
CVS is running advertisements on FB… $5 off purchase of $25 if you get a flu shot. 🤢🤮
I have seen publix (popular grocer on the southeast) bribe with $10.00 gift cards for groceries. Really people, they are NOT paying you to do it out of the goodness of their hearts! WAKE UP!
I went to pick up a prescription at another pharmacy and they asked if I wanted a flu shot.I said no and she said you get a $10 gift card to spend in the store.Not no but hell no!
I walked into Target yesterday and was greeted by two young people (and a big sign) asking me if I had my flu shot yet. I said no, never. They were verbally reaching out to anyone who walked in the door! I only wish I’d remembered to give them some of my Learn The Risk cards from my purse!! I have to go back there just to do that.
$25 In free items At some of the pharmacies near me it’s insane.
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