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Ok, I have found out the following. Via this document, I found that they aren’t supposed to be adding DACA/DAPA illegals to Get Covered Illinois. However, they also said, conveniently for cheaters, that:
GCI Screening Tool does not include any questions about immigration/non-citizen status and, therefore, some people who have income below the Medicaid level but are not eligible for Medicaid due to their immigration status are sent to apply for Medicaid by mistake.
At this time, GCI does not plan to add an immigration question to the screening tool because it is too difficult to distinguish between eligible and ineligible non-citizen categories in a all purpose screening tool.
Interestingly, in late 2015, while at an Illinois government building, I found a pamphlet for a DACA/DAPA event that would be held in late January 2016. It involved the following groups:
Youth Service Bureau of Illinois Valley
Bureau and Putnam County Health Department
Illinois Valley Community College
Computax Servicos and Associotos
Illinois Department of Human Services
Schweickert & Ganassin LLP
El Mercado Official de Cobertura Medica
Illinois Coalition for Immigration and Refugee Rights
Community Health Partnership of Illinois
I wonder, what is Get Covered Illinois doing at a DACA/DAPA event if illegals aren’t supposed to be put into Get Covered Illinois? Though I can’t prove it, I do think that they were told how to sign up for Get Covered Illinois, which is the Illinois Obamacare exchange, knowing full well that there was no screener to keep the illegals out.
Furthermore, I found here that in 2016, the state of Illinois Senate was trying to pass a bill that would add at least 1000 illegal alien kids to the All Kids Program (which is backed by Medicaid) while also cutting money to 1200 of the state’s own LEGAL disabled children. In addition, in 2012, Illinois appears to have cut benefits for legal disabled Illinois residents while increasing benefits for illegals.
Furthermore, I happen to know that in 2016, people were lobbying the state of Illinois to NOT decrease benefits for the disabled due to the budget cuts. The lobbying ended up being unsuccessful. So apparently the state of Illinois cares more for illegal aliens than they do about the disabled of their own state.
Undocumented non-citizens are the one population that doesn’t benefit under the ACA. However, they can still obtain coverage and other services, via local health departments and clinics (see map). In some cases, Medicaid or financial assistance may be available. This fact sheet, developed by the UIC Training Team, provides the details.
So it appears that illegals can sometimes get Medicaid too. (And apparently, the geniuses at Capital Hill haven’t bothered to deal with that issue with Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, but have kept that little provision around in their RINOCare bill.) Here are the coverage options for illegals that Illinois Heath Matters has listed on their site.
Furthermore, I found this Fox News article that says that, nationwide I’m assuming, that illegals have benefited from up to $750,000,000 in Obamacare subsidies. ( Which I’m assuming that Amnesty-loving, America-hating RINOs in Congress didn’t bother to remove with their RINOCare bill!!!)
Yep, sure enough, according to here, RINOCare continues the policy of letting illegals apply with fake IDs and get away with it! Apparently, Obamacare navigators were signing up illegals for Obamacare and our DISGRACEFUL RINO Congress is going to allow this lawlessness to continue!
So, in light of that, it could well be that they had Obamacare navigators at that DACA/DAPA event showing them how to illegally sign up for Obamacare.
These are the stories of what people suffered under Obamacare (and also, since the new Republican “repeal” bill (AKA RINOCare) is just continuing it, we are going to show why that bill must be defeated too.)
Here is one post from the Conservative Hammer Facebook page:
Believe it or not I have 4 terrible diseases. I am literally sitting and watching people everyday go to the doctor and get pain relief and help with their illness that I’m paying for and I’m also paying for my family’s health care. I can’t go to the doctor because our deductible is so high and it cost my family so much of our income to go. So I sit every day and suffer. My family and I voted for Trump and the establishment Republicans in Washington DC so that they could get rid of this law and hopefully allow people to be able to afford health insurance again. By the way, I have corporate-sponsored health insurance. This is such a disappointment! I hope people wake up and realize that we are being lied to from our own side!
Here is a post from an anti-Obamacare group on FB:
My first experience with ‘insurance’ after Obama Care was enacted.
In a meeting with a pt.’s ‘insurance company’ .. concerning the pre qualifying and okey dokey for payment for an operation .. the ‘insurance’ happened to be Medicare.
The person was in their late 60’s. We were told:
“No, Medicare will not pay for that operation. Place them on medication to control their symptoms. Simply put, this person will not be a viable person afterward.”
We, the Dr.’s who had determined that the operation was needed to save that person’s life (It was a heart surgery) and I were confused .. I asked what the Medicare rep. was talking about!?
“There is No way that person will be able to go back into the workforce and be able to earn enough to pay back the government, in taxes paid in, to even come close to covering the cost of this surgery.”
“But, they will be able to live comfortably for another 10 to, maybe, 20 years. On the medication they may not live another two years, if they live that long from what the Dr. said!”
“Yes, and that’s one of the main problems. Social Security cannot afford to keep paying out massive amounts to all the elderly in this country for years and years to come. Try to understand, you just need to keep elderly pt.’s comfortable until their time comes. It will reduce the overall healthcare cost in the long run, and Social Security will only have to pay out money every month to that person for about 2 to 5 years, instead of 10 to 20 more years.”
I Told him I refused to be a part of their geriatric genocide plan and did so very loudly. Told the other hospital employee’s there that my two weeks notice would be turned in by that afternoon .. and I did so.
I’ve not been actively nursing since then. Though I do my continuing education units that are required and keep my license up to date.
This is No joke folks.
Each time I read, or hear, of a Washington D.C. bureaucrat voting for or trying to uphold socialistic healthcare programs, I see Red and can barely keep a civil attitude toward them!!!
Murderers! That’s what they are! Flat out Murdering the elderly people who Built our country up, the men and women who worked so hard .. those that went to war and fought for Our rights so many years ago!
Obama Care Must Be Fully Repealed!
And No socialistic Trump Care to take it’s place!!
For those of you who read this .. Please work the missions, add your voice to let the politicians know that We Are Not A Socialist Country and do not want socialist programs such as this!!
Here is a post from Facebook of someone commenting on the so-called Affordable Health Care Act:
Last week the Senate released a discussion draft of a bill that was supposedly designed to repeal and replace Obamacare. Their draft did neither. What it did was amend Obamacare and continue it under a different name.
So, we have gone from:
• Seven years of promises to fully repeal Obamacare, when they knew Obama would veto any repeal effort,
• To Oh boy, this is complicated! Let’s not repeal until we come up with a replace bill because now Trump will actually sign the repeal legislation, and our K-Street donors really like Obamacare.
• To finally neither repealing nor replacing Obamacare, but instead amending and continuing it.
So now we know that words don’t mean the same in Washington D.C. as they do outside the beltway. Rip it out, root and branch; lock, stock, and barrel, and full repeal really mean amend and keep. Silly voters! All those elections during all those years, and we really thought you meant what you said, congress, when you said full repeal. Well, I guess the joke was on us this time. You really got us good. Wait until the next election though because I think the joke may be on you then.
The main difference in the Republican and the Democrat plans is that Democrats want to keep Obamacare and pay for it with high taxes. Establishment Republicans want to rename and keep Obamacare and pay for it with deficit spending. No matter how big government advocates try to finesse this, both parties now fully support keeping a huge, unconstitutional Federal Government entitlement program, that we cannot afford and do not want.
The Senate bill proposes welfare for all for as far as the eye can see. Their bill would prop up Obamacare exchanges by allocating $15 billion per year in 2018 and 2019 to those exchanges, and then $10 billion in 2020 and 2021.
Their bill would also continue corporate welfare for big insurance companies, by continuing Obamacare’s cost-sharing reduction subsidies through 2019, even though a court has ruled these corporate subsidies to be illegal and unconstitutional.
The Senate bill would preserve Obamacare’s expansion of Medicaid to those making up to 138% of the poverty level for the next seven years. Then in 2025, it will continue the Obamacare funding for Medicaid but slow down the growth by matching it to the rate of inflation. All this is assuming that the Republicans keep the White House and both branches of Congress. This sounds like another one of those good jokes Congress likes to play on voters.
But don’t think that all of this future welfare spending is limited to corporations and Medicaid recipients. Oh, no, not at all. The Senate bill also incorporates the Obamacare tax credits for earners with families with incomes of almost $100,000 per year but in 2020, they cut those subsidies back to only cover people who are making up to $86,000 per year, and they call that repeal. Looking at the Senate bill, you would think we had a $20 trillion surplus with money to blow rather than a $20 trillion debt.
This all comes with a very high price tag for Americans who pay for insurance because this bill would keep costly Title I regulations, like community rating, that have caused health insurance cost to spike since Obamacare was passed. Under this bill, premium costs will remain unaffordable and Congress did not do one thing to return those costs to even pre-Obama era amounts.
This pretend repeal bill will cement the basic architecture of Obamacare in place for good. Obviously Congress and most of the rest of America have very different goals and interests here. For congress, this is all primarily an exercise in trying to get re-elected. They have to figure how they can deliver to K-Street donors, while simultaneously double-crossing voters without voters knowing they are being flimflammed. It is not an overstatement to say that this is the fraud of the century and will go down in history as perhaps the greatest betrayal of voters by Congress in the history of this nation.
For many of us though the death of the repeal effort means the death of many small businesses who have been counting on full repeal. The Lion and Rose is one of these casualties of this Congressional betrayal. We had been holding out in hopes that Congress would deliver, but at this point we see that Congress is not going to do anything to really lower premiums and that they will fight to preserve Obamacare under a new Republican name. So this weekend, we closed our Lion and rose Restaurant located in the Forum Shopping Center because Obamacare has consumed all of the profits. More closures may be coming soon.
Here is a post that I found on an anti-Obamacare video:
I don’t know how much REAL experience healthcare-for-all you have. I do because I’m living in Germany, I am German. And I can tell you that our healthcare system is rapidly deteriorating, costs are skyrocketing, and the average wait time for an appointment is — and that’s the truth — about 3 to 4 months for patients on government healthcare. The vast majority of Germans is not allowed to decide if they want healthcare or not, and if so, what exactly they want to have covered. They’re pressed into the system without the chance to decide. Government takes that money (as well as taxes) right out of our pockets BEFORE our salary is even transferred onto our bank accounts. The cost for medication (which is supposed to be paid for by that glorious public healthcare system) has gone through the roof, it’s not uncommon patients have to pay additional hundreds of Euros for their “free medication”. I have no clue, really no clue whatsoever, how you can say this model is best.
And another comment on said video:
And here is someone’s counterargument:
I literally just discussed rationing. The lies spread about the faults of medicare-for-all are easily dispelled by the facts. Thousands of people die from a lack of health insurance in the U.S. every year because people go without screenings, pay more, and don’t have access to higher level care overall. That is true rationing, where only those who have the necessary resources live while others die. In Canada there is rationing on need – a patient with a more serious illness is treated before a patient who has a cold. The government would supply the right to healthcare effectively if only they were given the ability to, and sometimes if management meets complications, then solutions can always be devised. By the way, I looked up your statement about Quebec, and I found this.
And here is a counterargument to the one above:
Who determines what the common good is? To what extent can you control who lives and who dies? Chemotherapy was developed by testing poisons on children. how does your “right to be treated and not die or go bankrupt as a result of a medical procedure” measure up to an untested method to defeat cancer? Who will these doctors be exactly? Who is going to go to a decade of schooling just to get paid the same as someone who went to 4 years? Will there be enough of these people? Healthcare is not a right; no one has the right to go to a doctor and put them in jail if they do not treat you for free. Healthcare is a service provided by one citizen to another, it is not an idea like liberty or happiness and you have no right to make other people do what you want. Normally I’m nicer, but you’ve caught me in a bad mood. This idea you have is garbage. Total, reckless, stupid garbage. Your rose-colored view of humanity, that we can all just get along and take care of each other is self-refuting because after all if we all could just get along you wouldn’t have to make the argument. Do you believe in evolution? If so, how can you possibly deny capitalism which is economic natural selection? The computer you’re using came from capitalism! People are selfish and if they are not, they lose to the guy that is. Conservatives accept that people are motivated by their own self-interests. We get that capitalism pits those people against each other, which means that everyone gets better lives. Your view of humanity and healthcare will just lead to more deaths, more disease, more pain and suffering just so you don’t have to think you’re just as selfish as everyone else. You are worse than everyone else. You’re so selfish you’d let everyone else suffer just so you feel good about you.
And another anti-Obamacare argument:
And here is an argument in favor of Big Government health-care:
If you look at any data as for what poverty rates for ordinary citizens and seniors were before the ratification of Medicaid, the findings are astounding. As I just said, a large percentage of seniors either had no health coverage or lived beneath the federal poverty line. I don’t really understand what you are even trying to say when you’re arguing to back to that, saying that private philanthropies would help those in need more effectively… private philanthropies would help those who were able to pay! That’s what was already happening, and to no avail for those without the ability to pay. A private healthcare firm is above all a business. It is not a just entity. It is not devoted to helping people. It’s devoted to gaining a profit, and one of the ways these firms achieve that objective is denying care to patients. But going back to your previous point, I find it interesting that you present the lobbying made by the industries to restrict supply, but do not go into how the same firms lobby to extend patents for a life-saving drug or publicly defend their action to raise the price of the drug tenfold. Clearly, it is acting as a business, and in such a sensitive field such as dealing with the medical well-being of human beings, we cannot allow such behavior as a society. It is detrimental to the objective of a collective welfare and stifles innovation. And don’t even try bringing up the possibility of another pharmaceutical firm rising up to provide competition, because the big pharmaceutical companies have already bought out the competition. No matter what, you cannot twist that to fit the kind of free-market utopia you’d desire. I call it a utopia, yes, because even though the way you describe it is great, it simply does not exist. I concluded this through facts and precedent. For instance, every single other modern country on Earth has successfully implemented an adaptation of medicare-for-all. Therefore, I believe that we should do the same and end the healthcare crisis we’re facing. So many modern nations also effectively regulate the prices of pharmaceutical drugs. For instance, Canada established a board to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies and reach that objective to place its own citizen’s lives above the profit margins of the company. Therefore, we should allow Medicare to lower drug prices through negotiation. I also don’t follow your claim that the New Deal was detrimental to the agenda of my ideology. The New Deal established a social safety net, and provided aid to the less fortunate in society. It effectively regulated larger financial institutions such as banks, and prohibited risky practices such as buying on margin with stocks. My agenda is to renew the American dream – to level the playing field, to guarantee the rights of the American people, to protect them and to set the standard for a benevolent society. The New Deal set the base for my agenda! We can preserve the market economy for objects such as automobiles, but on the issue of health there is far too much to lose to gamble with a non-existent free market. It’s time to have a second New Deal to achieve these objectives, and solve so many of the economic, political, and social issues America faces as a civilization. And I can assure you, we will not achieve that through listening to right-wing ideologues and their pandering to a flawed and dis-factual free market.
And here is an anti-Obamacare argument:
And another anti-Obamacare argument:
I was more concerned of the periods between 1959 to the mid 1960s. From both charts (since they point out the same thing), poverty shrank by approximately 7 or 8 percent in 6 years. Since then, poverty continued to shrink but at a slower rate, then it went up and down for the next few decades. It’s even more worrying that the poverty rate does not include latent poverty, meaning poverty before the benefits given by the government. In the most recent data that I could find, approximately 52.2 million (or 21.3 percent) people in the U.S. participated in government assistance programs each month in 2012. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html If we were to strip away these programs in a day, we would find that the real poverty rate is much higher. It only concludes that the welfare state only prevents people from getting out of poverty, because it’s a tool to discourage poor people to work. If a family member starts working full-time and brings more income, the end result would be less benefits for them.
Being charitable means that one must voluntarily help someone through volunteering and charitable donations. It does not mean use one’s tax dollars and let the government do it for me. I’m not familiar with the privatization of homeless shelters, but I can point out that the private shelters are taking homeless people in because the government pays them more than $3,000 per unit in city funds. Simply because all modern nations have universal healthcare does not mean they can run it more effectively than the private sector. We must compare the activities the private sector does versus the ones in public, and from what we’ve seen in every country, is that private businesses are more effective at providing goods and services to consumers. (Now if we want to privatize roads and courts, I don’t think it’s a good idea.)
Here is a pro-Obamacare argument:
The assumption that reducing the welfare state would lift people out of poverty is factually incorrect. I’d like to offer a statistic to counter that claim: 73% of people receiving public benefits work, and public benefits are what lead them to some degree of self-sufficiency. Moreover, no, welfare does not keep people in poverty, but helps them out. As for your final claim, if the private sector were to more effectively distribute healthcare than the government, why is no modern country doing it? Do you believe that governments everywhere do not pursue effective policy? Besides, from the way you frame it, such a efficient policy should be everywhere! But it’s not, because it is not an efficient policy. The private sector undoubtedly offers better quality goods to consumers than the government when it comes to cars or whatnot. But the facts show that in the issue of healthcare, the private sector does not provide as good results as the public sector. Healthcare isn’t about profits. It’s about helping people who are sick, and when it comes down to it it’s all about human lives – something the private sector cannot barter over.
And yet another anti-Obamacare argument:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the wait time crisis in Canada is real, and Canadians are the ones spreading that information.
And here is a pro-Obamacare argument:
I live in Michigan near Detroit and talk to Canadians in person daily. My GF’s step-dad is Canadian and not exactly politically entrenched in anything, and all the stories I hear directly from peoples’ mouths are overall positive or more accurately “no major complaints”. Of course there are some horror stories, as with any system, but overall socialized medicine across the developed world works quite well. I can’t believe you retards are still brainwashed on that narrative.
And here is an anti-Obamacare argument:
How do you know it works great? Where are you getting this information from? I didn’t know waiting 2 years for a hip replacement was considered “great”. Delaying hip replacement is associated with adverse outcomes and severe pain. In 2010, Canada’s median wait for hip replacement was 20.4 weeks. Despite government’s “guarantee” of timely treatment, 60% of Swedes wait more than three months. In England, the median wait after referral for hip replacement in 2011 was 91 days. In contrast, nearly 90% of American patients (almost half are under 65) received hip replacement in less than three weeks; no patients waited six months or more. I can go on and on with these if you want, here have another: Despite worse outcomes and high risk for death, governments set extremely long “targets” for heart surgery. Wales targets up to eight months; England targets 18 weeks after referral; Canada benchmarks up to 26 weeks for bypass. Defined as acceptable by governments who set them, such targets propagate the illusion of meeting quality standards despite serious under-performance, endangering their (fully insured) citizens. Do you want another one or are we done? England’s 2010 “NHS Constitution” declared that no patient should wait beyond 18 weeks for treatment (after GP referral). Even given this long leash, the number of patients not being treated within that time soared by 43% to almost 30,000 in January. BBC subsequently discovered that many patients initially assessed as needing surgery were later re-categorized by the hospital trust and removed from waiting lists. Royal College of Surgeons President Norman Williams, calling this “outrageous,” charged that hospitals are cutting their waiting lists by simply raising thresholds. I can keep on going with this if you’d like.
Here is a post from the anti-Obamacare group:
I’m new to this group: thank you for letting me join. I have been reading through some of the posts: one of my biggest concerns right now, as it is for many, is healthcare. I have a child with an autoimmune disease and we spent over $30,000 last heat out of pocket on medical. It requires both my husband and I to work two jobs. One alternative: single payer (socialist medicine) is not even remotely an option as far as I’m concerned. Changes need to be made, Obamacare has nearly destroyed our family financially. I would rather continue to work two jobs than go to a single payer system. I’m baffled at those that think it’s a right. I have been pushing our local reps here in Arizona to do the right thing. It scares me though how out of touch with real life some of them are.
Here is a post from an anti-Obamacare FB group:
I just spoke with Senator Tim Scott’s staffer and told him we want a full repeal of Obamacare, which Republicans have been promising for 7 years. He said the Senator is in favor of repeal and replace. I said it is no good, if the replacement is just another version of government-controlled health care. Republicans should allow free market solutions. He said the Senator likes full repeal and free market solutions, “but there wouldn’t be enough votes to pass it.”
Here is a post from a Mississippi anti-Big Government group:
Everyone is talking about the republicans failing to repeal Obamacare. The ones that voted against repeal, said too many people would be without insurance. Really. Because everyone has good insurance now? Like my mom, who has had a stroke and a couple of mini strokes. She can’t get work, can’t get insurance through Obamacare and can’t get disability. Or a really good friend of mine and [name withheld]’s who is having some pretty severe medical issues, and because she doesn’t have a job (she can’t work due to these issues) she’s told she can’t get any coverage either? So exactly who did Obamacare help? Who are these millions of people who only got coverage after Obamacare passed? I can honestly say I don’t know a single person Obamacare helped, all I know Is when my insurance premiums doubled, Obamacare was the reason. So tell me again how repealing this monstrosity is such a bad thing? We need to clean Washington out.
This post is my opinion from my observation,
And here are some replies to said post:
Before Obamacare, we had decent insurance coverage for a fair price. Now, high priced and little coverage thus you are still without medical care.
As soon as Ocare went into effect, my monthly premium doubled, and my out of pocket and deductibles doubled
We lost ours… $1200 a month with a $10,000 deductible… then the insurance provider left MS
Congress and their staff got the good deal. That’s why they won’t repeal it. They don’t care about those that are insured or would become uninsured. They are all into “me” syndrome.
The ones who won’t buy it unless you make them
Here are some posts from PJNET chat about Obamacare:
If my wife didn’t work for the state with (almost) free health insurance for me, I couldn’t afford to work at AutoZone
I went w/o insurance for years after Obamacare was enacted — I couldn’t afford it….
Here is a post from a city-data thread about Medicare for All:
The Democrats call it Medicare-for-All which sounds like Medicare remains and everyone else is added in.
Medicare, Medicare Advantage Plans, Medicaid, Tricare, all employer and union-sponsored health plans go away and are replaced by one government-run plan.
That may not sound bad, but the plan will cover all RESIDENTS of the US, not just citizens, for everything from annual exams to nursing home care.
With 22M illegal immigrants (according to 2018 Yale University report) and counting plus 320M citizens, this will be hugely expensive.
When the inevitable rationing happens (just like England), seniors will be at the end of the line for treatments.
If you’re rich, you’ll go outside the government plan and private pay for good care, just like Kate Middleton did for her births. The rest of us will stand in line.
The idea behind insurance is that the financial risk is spread out over the group. Sets of healthy people make a very favorable group: low risk for running up the bill, so premiums stay lowest. Larger sets that don’t exclude high risk folks will run up bigger bills, hence premiums must be higher.
Ultimately, the biggest group over which the risk can be spread is to include everyone– but that also is the maximum risk, hence– highest premiums.
There is no free lunch. Single payer is the costliest way to go– and we haven’t even mentioned yet the increased demand that single payer will enable. In the traditional system, many people opted out of carrying insurance, and at the same time, stayed away from the doctor. Once someone else is paying, those excluded people enter the system, increasing the bill as they start utilizing services.
Now for the real killer in the financial picture. All those $15/hr claim-processing jobs now in the private sector become $30/hr + obscene retirement benefits after only 25 yrs of service as govt union employees.
Surely food, clothing and shelter are all more important than healthcare. Why don’t liberal politicians push plans to provide those “free” to everyone before they push plans for universal healthcare? Answer is easy: to push for those other more important things is too obviously an insincere effort to buy votes with taxpayer money. Healthcare is more subtle and fools more easily swayed, naive voters.
Originally Posted by pilotpair
The Democrats call it Medicare-for-All which sounds like Medicare remains and everyone else is added in.
Medicare, Medicare Advantage Plans, Medicaid, Tricare, all employer and union-sponsored health plans go away and are replaced by one government-run plan.
That may not sound bad, but the plan will cover all RESIDENTS of the US, not just citizens, for everything from annual exams to nursing home care.
With 22M illegal immigrants (according to 2018 Yale University report) and counting plus 320M citizens, this will be hugely expensive.
When the inevitable rationing happens (just like England), seniors will be at the end of the line for treatments.
If you’re rich, you’ll go outside the government plan and private pay for good care, just like Kate Middleton did for her births. The rest of us will stand in line.
If you think I’m over dramatizing, read the bill Sen. Sanders introduced which is now supported by Democrats from Barack Obama on down:
I hate Democrat politicians.
I’ve been saying that since the advent of the Medicare for All mantra. When they proposed it during the Obama administration, I said it was really going to be Obamacare for All Including Seniors. Don’t kid yourself. The exemption of seniors on Medicare from ACA was a thorn in their side because they couldn’t pick the pockets of seniors.
And the same thing will happen now. Anyone who thinks that seniors currently on Medicare won’t be drawn into some sort of “tiered” (and more expensive) scheme under a Medicare for All plan, has a strudel in his noodle.
No. Medicare For All is a public option. That means no one is forced or coerced to drop employer or union plans, but we would all have the option to choose Medicare/Medicaid if we want to. … and millions of people will want to choose Medicare For All because the premiums will be cheaper than private sector plans. Medicare has the lowest overhead of any health delivery system in the country and they don’t charge extra to make a profit either.
Medicare For All would save the country $2 trillion over 10 years. Under the current privatized system, we are projected to spend $34T over the next 10 years, while the cost of MFA is projected at $32T.
Medicare For All makes a lot of sense. It is not a new program, it’s an expansion of a 50-year old program that’s been very successful and popular.
Illegals already get free care. Fix that problem first. Then work on whether Americans and residents should get subsidized healthcare.
Medicare for All is not a public option. Read Section 107 of the bill. Employer health plans go away. You’re thinking of an earlier bill that never went anywhere.
Medicare for all is more than our current total govt spending, so no, it won’t ever happen.
But it should end …all the money should be distributed to living persons based on how much they have paid into it.
Its a Ponzi scheme.
Yes, getting more, paying less, and have everyone covered with a national health care system is terrifying. For the big pharma and insurance big wigs! Exactly the same scare mongering happened in the 1960s as well when Medicare was about to be enacted. The rationing, the socialism, the end of America, the horror! More than 50 years later, Republican voters are worried it might be cut…
Originally Posted by latimeria
So may I ask, what’s the solution you want?
Force States to rescind the laws that grant hospitals the right to operate as monopolies and monopolistic cartels and pursue anti-trust actions against the hospital monopolies. The federal government could withhold Medicaid funding to accomplish that.
The American Hospital Association lobbied the States for such laws under the guise that the free healthcare they would offer low-income patients would offset the negative consequences of monopolies.
The hospitals aren’t providing free healthcare for low-income patients, and jacking up prices for everyone else to cover the costs of low-income patients is not the same as free healthcare.
Increase the cost of medical care and the cost of health plan coverage rises. Decrease the cost of medical care and the cost of health plan coverage decreases. It’s not rocket science.
Compel States to rescind all mandates. Again, the federal government can withhold Medicaid funding to achieve that.
Every time a State mandates that a medical condition, medical treatment or medical procedure be covered, it increases the cost of health plan coverage. Some States require autism be covered, even though there is no treatment or medical procedure for autism, while some States do not. You pay more for health plan coverage in a State that mandates coverage for autism, than in a State that does not.
Have States redefine catastrophic care and make that the base coverage for all plans.
People can add riders for any additional coverage they want. If you don’t want doctor office visits covered, then you don’t pay for it. People who want doctor office visits covered can pay extra for that. People who want maternity/pregnancy or birth control covered can pay extra, while those who don’t want it or don’t need it or have no use for it do not have to pay for it.
Have the federal government rescind the IRS tax code that bans coupling catastrophic care with life insurance.
That will take us back to the early 1950s, when you bought life insurance coupled with catastrophic health plan coverage.
You pay premiums for 10 years, then you never pay another dime, but you and your spouse (and your minor children) are covered for the rest of your life, and then when you die, your named beneficiaries get a huge chunk of money.
If the monthly premiums are too high for you, you can opt to pay for 20 years, then never pay another dime but still be covered for the rest of your life and your named beneficiaries get a huge chunk of money when you die. Or you can pay an even lower premium for 30 years with the same conditions.
That’s how it worked until the American Hospital Association lobbied Congress to change the IRS tax code to ban the practice and prevent lower class and middle class Americans from creating wealth and passing it on to their children (or grandchildren).
The American Hospital Association’s Blue Cross wasn’t a true insurance company, and it had lobbied the State legislatures to enact “enabling laws” that enabled it to operate without being subject to State insurance regulations. In just 2 years, Blue Cross saw their market share drop from 80% to 54%, because it could not offer the life insurance combined with catastrophic health plan coverage like private insurance companies could.
The federal government needs to take action to drive health plan coverage out from under employers into State-wide pools. Employers can still pay for health plan coverage, they just can’t dictate what plan you have.
If, after you have done all those things, you still have people struggling with health plan coverage, then you can look at ways to assist them.
Here are some posts in reply to a post of Shannon Joy’s page:
I can only speak to my situation. To get a similar policy I had this year for my family for 2019 I would have to pay an extra 48%. And even with that my max out of pocket (above the premiums) goes from 6,000 to 12,000.
My cost before my employer pays is 1684. They pay 45% of the bill for my whole family so it costs me 926.20 per month 11,114.40 per year.
I didn’t have any deductible with the old plan. And max out of pocket was 6k. But now my max out of pocket is 13k and I have to meet a 7k deductible before they pay ANYTHING.
So I now will pay 11,114.40 plus possibly another 7k for worse coverage. 😡😡😡
Or 16,449 plus another 5k deductible for similar coverage to what i had this year.
I literally can’t afford to pay that much…so I’m looking into a Christian medishare program.
Just found out my premiums are going UP by $560 a month. So much for going down.
If you want the answer, look back to the system of about 70 years ago. You went to the Dr and he checked you out, and prescribed something, like exercise, meds, or a lifestyle change and you payed the Dr. $20 and went home. No one had health insurance, and those that did usually had an inexpensive catastrophic injury policy. Businesses then started offering health insurance as a perk of working for the company. That is where things started going tragically wrong. The insurance companies went in and started bargaining for better deals. Corruption seeped in with government regulation and when medicare and medicaid were created, everything went to hell in a hand basket.
Here are some posts in reply to a Shannon Joy post about Obamacare/Trumpcare:
I think the medical industry is more to blame than any president. That and the fact that we all pay for all of the people that we “freely” give insurance to. As a family we have not had insurance since 09. We can’t afford it. .like at all. If we go, like I did recently for suspected shingles, we self pay.
Shannon, this is why I dropped our health insurance completely last year. It was paying for literally nothing and costing most of my wife’s salary. We switched to Christian Healthcare Ministries and what we pay monthly is almost a third of what we paid for the insurance. There’s no coverage of medications (though I’ve found that I can get meds fairly cheaply by shopping around using the GoodRx app) and I know up front that I’ve got to pay out of pocket for medical care that’s less than $500.
We’ve gone years without any major medical expenses but since switching to CHM we’ve had two events that cost several thousand each. CHM paid for everything … I had to ask for discounts (and got them) and we had to wait a few months to be reimbursed, but ended up paying nothing out of pocket.
You can thank McCain for this crap. GOP could have repealed Obamacare but this dead jerk sided with democrats.
NO – that was a FAKE REPEAL BILL. It kept 95% of Obamacare in place including the price hiking insurance regs
it is not Trumps fault for this it rest entirely on the majority party which is the gop. The president can only sign or veto legislation. Even if he vetoed the legislation there are to many democrats in the gop to that would override the veto.
Ya, it never was about full repeal for him.
Every time I ever heard him mention it, it was, “it can be better”, “it can be better”, not, “we need to not have government run healthcare”,…he always said it like it would be a new trophy on his Presidential trophy stand.
I got quite sick of that, still am.
I seem to recall Trump threatening to “Primary” members of the Freedom Caucus when they wanted to push for full repeal. Seems he did intervene and continued to send mixed signals throughout the process thus undermining any attempt at real repeal. Remember, he likes Government health care and has even stated that a single payer option would be great in his book The America We Deserve. So, us there is lots of blame to go around and he gets his fair share for torpedoing any chance we had.
If Trump did try to get rid of it all and start afresh, there would be riots in the streets, and he would get it from, all those that get “Free” health care, and those that advocate for them. He would get it from the medical communities, the CEO’s of hospitals, the pharmaceuticals agencies….. they all make a buck off of “sickness.” I don’t know anyone that he wouldn’t get it from except maybe from we poor schmucks that are shelling out thousands per family for little in return. What is the point of insurance if it costs you $1500 a month, and your deductible is $5,000 per family member? Would it not be better to self pay for the small things and have your own pool of people paying for catastrophic health care? Not to mention, I know that when my son hurt his hand, severely, we self paid. It was a hand specialist and each visit with the guy would have been over $700, with insurance. Self paying it was $260. a visit. Now how do you explain that away? The isn’t any presidents fault.
Not to mention it’s planned to keep us all poor. The poorer you are the more you tend to look to govt….and ANYTHING the govt “gives” you comes with strings attached. Read Saul Alynskis Rule’s For Radicals and you will see what I mean.
My daughter and son-in-law are living w/out coverage due to $$, but have coverage for 2 children (3 yr old and 8 mo old)
I know several situations like your daughters. It’s sad.
I haven’t seen any improvement. Now he is making a half assed effort to stop the caravan of illegals. He could really stop it by stopping all asylum, which he has the complete power to do. Our votes should be based on this.
Yes it IS Trump’s fault. If he hasn’t removed it to save face, you can go back to 2017 and see his Twitter feed where he vowed to primary the Freedom Caucus because they opposed the fake repeal bill and wanted a REAL repeal. At any rate, I got a screenshot of it.
People think that term limits will solve all of our problems. While it can get rid of repeat offenders who just lie at election time and then serve business and other special interests till the next election cycle (this is especially true in the case of the Senate, which is only up for election once every six years), it won’t solve other problems and it may actually create a few.
What It Won’t Solve
Out of control federal power. Term limits on the Presidency sure didn’t stop Obama from being the most tyrannical President that we’ve ever had.
Out of control spending. Term limits don’t stop them from spending like crazy.
Case in Point 1: California
The members of the legislature of California have had term limits since 1996. The latest set of term limits was passed in 2012. I think that even the governor also has some kind of term limits. I found here that, for the legislature,
These rules are that they may serve a total of twelve years in either house, or a combination of the two houses. A person may serve all twelve years in either the Assembly or the Senate, or split between the two houses.
Mark Levin proposed something similar in the Liberty Amendments for the Senate and the House and others want to take up something like that for an Article V convention. However, as we know, California, despite the term limits in 1996 and the later ones in 2012, the state has become , if not THE most tyrannical state in the union, then certainly a contender for the title.
Case in Point 2: The 22nd Amendment
The 22nd Amendment limited the Presidency to two terms (8 years total). However, it hasn’t stopped President Obama from being a tyrant (worse than his first four years where he had to face the voters again) as his last 4 years were far worse than his first four years.
You may have heard of the lame duck session for Congressmen who have been voted out of office (either in the primary or the general election) but aren’t out till January, who don’t have to face the voters again and often act as they please. By term limiting Congressmen, we’d be creating a 2 year lame duck session for House members and a 6 year lame duck session for Senate members.
What about term limiting the Supreme Court?
This would be a bit more practical, as they have lifetime appointments and it would mean not be stuck for years and years with stinkers like Guinsberg. However, it won’t stop abuse of power by the Supreme Court, only limit the time someone has to abuse their power.
I’m not saying I’m against term limits, I’m saying that their effects aren’t what people think they’d be and that they could actually have some unintended negative effects too. That is why a term limits convention alone won’t help.
Here is a case in point. The state of Illinois has an, albeit crude, Balanced Budget section of its constitution:
Under Article VIII, Section 2, it says:
SECTION 2. STATE FINANCE
(a) The Governor shall prepare and submit to the General
Assembly, at a time prescribed by law, a State budget for the
ensuing fiscal year. The budget shall set forth the estimated
balance of funds available for appropriation at the beginning
of the fiscal year, the estimated receipts, and a plan for
expenditures and obligations during the fiscal year of every
department, authority, public corporation and quasi-public
corporation of the State, every State college and university,
and every other public agency created by the State, but not
of units of local government or school districts. The budget
shall also set forth the indebtedness and contingent
liabilities of the State and such other information as may be
required by law. Proposed expenditures shall not exceed funds
estimated to be available for the fiscal year as shown in the
(b) The General Assembly by law shall make
appropriations for all expenditures of public funds by the
State. Appropriations for a fiscal year shall not exceed
funds estimated by the General Assembly to be available
during that year.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)
However, according to Illinois Policy , the state had been balanced only 15 of the 41 years between 1970 and 2000 and 2010 (and I don’t think they’ve had one since) and the last time they had a balanced budget was in 2001. To try and stop it from “going too far out of hand”, the state has tried increasing taxes and other things. All that’s done is make thing worse and let the pension crisis get worse and worse. Since Bruce Rauner took office, there has been an impasse between him and the Democrat majority state legislature, leading to now 2 years with only stop gap budgets. The people don’t want more taxes and the legislature is too unwilling to make the necessary actions and cuts. (Hopefully, cooler heads prevail, because, unlike DC, the states can’t just print money to “make it all go away”.)
It is likely that, were just a BBA convention alone be called, that the issues mentioned above with Illinois would play out at the national level, thus not solving the problems plaguing our country.
These are the stories the Lame Stream Media doesn’t want you to know.
I found this story on an online forum:
When we moved to AZ in 1990, we had a 4 year old son with Down syndrome. He was still not speaking. I was told at a clinic that he needed speech therapy 3 or 4 times per week. The school told me that they could provide speech therapy 1 time per week. I asked why with the huge budget for Special Education he couldn’t get the speech therapy he needed, I was told that “English As A Second Language” was such a huge expense and given priority that there wasn’t funding for what my son needed.
I, at that time, called Border Patrol Admin, and had an extensive talk with them. I was horrified that thousands of illegal aliens crossed the border every month, and told that the schools didn’t care where the kids came from since they were funded per kid by the state.
We moved around and returned to SE KS eventually. My husband was working at a manufacturing plant of about 200 people. I watched employees replaced with illegal aliens, my husband included. I learned this was happening around the town. They were not e-verifying at any of the businesses. These illegal aliens were carpooling into town and often had crashes in their overloaded vehicles.
When we had arrived in KS, there was a 5 year waiting list for people, adults, with developmental disabilities to receive Medicaid services for day/residential, yet I learned they were providing maternity, delivery and emergency health services (illegal aliens visit the emergency room 3 times as often as citizens on the taxpayer dime) along with anchor babies getting entire families in Section 8 subsidized housing while citizens were waiting for housing.
We moved to a town that used to be nice. Our older son went to college here, now, it is becoming a 3rd world dump. The poverty rate has risen to 25% and crime has grown. We were just VERY lucky to have sold our home.
Some will say “How do you know they are illegal aliens?” Trust me, it doesn’t take long to be able to pick them out. We have a number of Hispanic/Latino people that have been here for generations.
Additionally, auto insurance rates are higher when there are illegal aliens in your region due to the number of accidents and DUIs.
Now, imagine just my little corner and illegal aliens multiplied by thousands!
I work in construction. I’m constantly outbid by other companies who hire illegals for the bulk of their work. My friends have a hard time getting work in the field because of this also. If you are in any trade it affects your pay, and who you can hire. This is how they end up working for the government. Contractors win a government bid because it’s so low, then they bring a crew full of illegals getting very little pay for a days work. Noway a legal American contractor with a crew of legals could bid that low and cover costs, and obey labor laws.
I also have a close relative involved in a car accident with an illegal. He was severely injured and received no compensation and paid all out of pocket. Went broke doing it. The illegal didn’t pay anything and couldn’t even be held or found.
I have no problem if they’re legal, that way they can’t be blackmailed into working for peanuts. The illegals can, it’s sad, unethical and abused a lot in the trades.
Thirty years ago, when we moved to our current town, it was a mostly blue collar town. However, it did attract white collar people because it was an affordable place to buy a starter home—which we did. At the time, there were some legal immigrants who spoke English and took care of their homes. The Hispanics we ran into, also were fluent in English and made an effort to get to know people in the community.
The schools were decent with many parents (myself included) volunteering in the classroom. During my daughter’s elementary school years, she never had a bad teacher. When she was in middle school (mid 90s), things started to gradually change. She told us of Hispanic kids who were in gangs and she knew one kid who got beaten up. Yet…things had yet to get to alarming levels. When she was in high school, they had a great football team that was rated in the top 20 in the Metro area. They went to states twice during her time there. When her senior year came, she was noticing more and more kids showing up who didn’t know English. The teachers were getting frustrated, In one of her classes, there was a very bright girl who was Hispanic and her family had been in the community for a long time. Teachers would make her sit with the newcomers to translate for them. I couldn’t help but feel how negatively this must have affected the girl’s own education. At one point, my daughter said that every day she was seeing kids she never saw before showing up at school and none of them knew English.
I think she got out of there at the right time (early 00s). Gradually, more and more long time residents left the community. We had widows and single women who lived alone and began to feel unsafe. One widow had an illegal break into her house as she slept and he raped her. I knew women who had tears in their eyes when they left the homes where they had planned to spend the rest of their lives.
The once good elementary school that my daughter went to couldn’t even get state accreditation—it had sunk that low. The high school has to beg kids to join sports teams. They even told people who couldn’t swim that they would teach them. As one of our neighbors said, it’s way too easy for kids to earn letters in school now.
We have far too many flophouses. I once talked to a police officer that told me she went to one flophouse that had 16 people in it and the conditions were deplorable—and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Many townhouse communities have turned into slums as the owners made illegal apartments in the basements and no one takes care of their property.
A couple of years ago, a kid waiting for the high school bus got shot and killed by 3 illegal alien gang members. When we first moved here, the idea of something happening like that was unthinkable.
Our local elected officials made overcrowding laws that have no teeth in them. If they go to a house and they all say they are related, they are allowed to continue overcrowd. It’s like the law-abiding people are punished while the scofflaws are handled with kid gloves.
All this overcrowding has made life h*ll for when it comes to parking problems. We had such bad problems in our neighborhood that we petitioned to become a permit parking district. Of course local government dragged their heels making the process three times longer than it should have been. In our neighborhood, we used to see people park their cars then wait around for someone to pick them up and take them home.
We’re planning to sell our home, downsize and move out of the area. My next door neighbor told us he and his wife are worried about who will buy our house—and we understand. Overall, our property values have suffered due to the surrounding community.
In 2000 when we were at Disney World, the union was fighting with management as management was demanding that ALL employees learn Spanish. We hadn’t been there in a while but it became evident that they were hiring people who did not understand English.
Many jobs advertised in the paper in many different require one speak Spanish, especially those for some school and government programs.
It was tough in AZ as some of the special “Chapter’ jobs like for reading and/or math at that time required that one be fluent in Spanish. I was looking for a job as a teacher’s assistant and that kept me from applying for a significant number of openings. I also see this where we are now, bilingual required.
Geesh, I should stay out of this thread as in reality I am sure I will think of more and more ways that not enforcing the immigration laws has impacted me.
My true impact was when I had to take my wife to the local emergency room. It was 10PM in the evening, and she felt that sick that she begged me to take her to the ER. I have never seen her this bad.
When we arrived in the ER 15 minutes later I was in shock how packed it was. I asked the nurse how long the wait was, and she mentioned 4-5 hours. At that time I realized that at least 80% was Hispanic in the ER. At 3AM in the morning my wife asked me to leave since she preferred to be home and go to a urgent care the next morning. Or call an ambulance if things get worse.
Our son, an adult with DS, has Medicaid. When he went to the emergency room, we had to sign papers saying that we would pay everything that Medicaid did not cover. Whenever he goes for any care, we must sign a paper saying we will be responsible for any costs that Medicaid doesn’t cover before he is seen, although in the emergency room, they give you a minute to collect yourself.
Hospitals are required to provide emergency care. The illegal aliens don’t generally have health insurance, and I know this happens with some of our own citizens that are not insured, so they just show up at the emergency room. Medicaid for Illegal Immigrants | Emergency Medicaid and Medicaid pays about $2 billion per year for illegal aliens!
The Medicaid waiver is what brings in services for the frail elderly and disabled. I noticed that the longest waiting lists are generally those with highest number of illegal aliens.
As we know, the rules for illegal aliens are not the same for our citizens. Try committing a felony and then running from the police to sanctuary in a church. If you do this, post here and I’ll send you something nice to trade for favors in prison.
75% of American citizens that filed for medical bankruptcy had health insurance, How Many Americans Go Bankrupt Due to Medical Purposes Each Year? which means they were in no shape to pay their bills either, doesn’t seem to matter. The article is older, but I have read that even with ObamaCareNot, it hasn’t really gotten better.
Hey, we should just be happy that when they show up, they aren’t using OUR stolen identities!
And another post:
Ok…. I will chime in
Our school district has 2 high schools since it is large so the school assignment is based on where you live. Now there are 8 courses not available at the one school that is available at the other. The children that were going “out of district” were told they needed to provide transportation. Well I will let you guess which group went and BITCHED and threatened legal action if their precious NON ENGLISH SPEAKING children were not provided transportation at the DISTRICT’S expense for the English as a Secondition Language program…. now the parents of the Legal Citizen CHILDREN went and complained about this and were told too bad we can’t help you the TAX PAYING LEGAL CITIZENS…… and to top it off the “Non speaking English high school kids” ride on a Middle School bus that has to go out of its way to go to this one high school, deal with amazing amounts of traffic and now has roudy, upset Middle school kids THAT WANT TO GO HOME.
And another post:
Here are the ways I’ve been affected by illegals — we lived in a border state for seven years.
1. Two illegals watched my husband walk out of our bank and walk back to our neighborhood. They followed him and knocked him out with a crowbar and robbed him of the cash he’d gotten from our bank. After stitching his head, the ER doctor told him if it had been a woman or weaker elderly person, they’d be dead from that hit on the temple area. A man saw the incidence and got their truck’s license, but they had fled back across the border and police told us its so common they never even peruse these cases.
2. Our development was increasingly getting burglarized by gangs of illegals so that we had to hire a private security company. One neighbor’s dog was poisoned with meat so they could get over their adobe wall to rob them while they were at work. The police knew the illegals who were doing it, but because we were a sanctuary city and a tourist city there was no political effort to deal with it. They were afraid the tourist industry would suffer if they started informing people how bad it really was. Our newspaper never published the incidents, and the police were not even allowed to ask if they were illegals!
3. My Hispanic-American house cleaner was so proud she had raised two sons and never been on welfare do to her outstanding quality housecleaning company she had formed. But slowly she was being put out of business because she could not compete with the huge influx of illegals and their extremely low prices. Thankfully my neighbors were so pi$$ed off at the illegal situation (see #2) that we all banded together and hired her at her wages, but she had to fire her employees and just go back to doing it herself instead of as a larger cleaning company.
4. Our mason was a fourth-generation mason and was put out of business because he could not compete with the illegals any longer.
5. I had a serious allergic reaction to a prescription drug, and my husband took me to the ER at our hospital.
It was a six hour wait to see a doctor!! Groups of pregnant illegals who want anchor babies to have American citizenship wait outside the hospital with a private nurse they hire to tell them when they are dilated enough to be considered emergency and the hospital has to take them right away. Apparently, there were fifteen pregnant illegals in labor that night, and all had to go before me. The nurse told us all about it and they were laughing at the craziness of it that night, but my husband was furious!
6. We moved out of that border state and bought a nice property surrounded by good property values partly due to a well-rated elementary school. Unfortunately part of the area is highly agricultural and there’s been a huge influx of illegals severely impacting the elementary school which has now dropped to the very bottom in rating. Property owners are furious as RE agents are telling us values and attraction to our area is going down due to the lousy overly illegal-packed school there.
7. We lend money to private loans, and a builder we lend to has never used illegals before which made us want to do business with him over the years. Two days ago we went to inspect the progress on his newest project and every single worker was a Hispanic immigrant — we don’t know if they were illegals or not as we haven’t gotten a hold of him yet to ask. These are jobs Americans will do — I am sure his answer will be that he can’t compete any longer without illegals. Trump needs to crack down on the employers who hire them so there is an even playing field for companies that don’t use illegals!!
And yet another post:
They basically destroyed the safe little town I grew up in. This town was so”Americana” that a movie “Hometown USA” was filmed there in 1979.
Little be little as the years passed, things changed. Higher Population, Higher crime. People began to lock their doors and build fences and walls around their property. And a lot of them moved away.
Everything went bilingual. Many jobs changed their job requirements from “Must have excellent English skills” to ‘Bilingual helpful” to ” Bilingual Preferred” , and then finally “Must speak fluent Spanish”
By the early to mid 2000’s – we began to see walls and building sides spray painted with gang messages. Finally the gang members in their “wife-beater” shirts, baggy black pants and tattoos were everywhere.
Crime rates continued to rise.
“Hometown USA” is now a dangerous place to be.
Here are some posts on a Breitbart article:
The other item that is not brought to light here is the fact that if you live in Calif. Az…south western states (don’t know about Florida even though we visit there at least once a year), you are at a real disadvantage if you are not bi-lingual (Spanish). A white, non-bi-lingual applicant now even in parts of Washington and Oregon, having equal job application credentials and experience will not be considered for those jobs with a Hispanic competing applicant. Reason? These states are now, also, being smothered with illegals. Our local Wal Mart now plays Mexican music and the loud speaker announcements are in Spanish as well as English. Sad state of affairs, when legal Americans have to deal with employment denial due to not speaking a foreign language in their own country. It is what it is, and it is here.
And another post:
I live in California. There is a COMPLETELY different employment scenario here and has been–FOR DECADES. All fast food restaurants here in California hire illegal adults for full-time jobs. In the past, those jobs were part-time and generally reserved for American teenagers. Many teenagers used their part time work to pay for car insurance, incidentals, and even help their parents pay bills. The American teen unemployment rate in California is in excess of 50%! It is unconscionable that this ILLEGAL ACTIVITY continues–and with the blessing of the CA State government…Absolutely deplorable!
Here is a post from the City Data forums:
I once met somebody in the neighborhood and after several times chatting, she started running off at the mouth,and she told me her BF was here illegally from ex-Salvador. Apparently he got deported once , got a 10 year ban and snuck back in. And of course he’s employed at a warehouse here in good ole LA county. Ex Gang member at that. Hopefully ICE takes a look and hopefully there will be a chain reaction where the employer gets scared and starts hiring people legitimately on the books. I’m sure he’s not the only illegal there.
Here is a post that I found on an anti-illegal immigration forum:
Guess that’s why they are also told to apply for asylum under the refugee Act!
Seventeen years ago, I viewed a tape recorded undercover by off-duty Latino officers of the former Immigration and Naturalization Service in Georgia. Several INS officers there had formed an immigration-control activist group that allied with a group I was in.
These immigration-enforcement officers were furious, and much of that anger was directed at our government, which was, and is, undermining its own citizens. Our government’s policies have greatly increased the dangers immigration and local police officers face.
The Georgia tape showed a Mexican official instructing a room of Latino “illegal aliens” on how to evade U.S. laws and how to tap into our welfare system. When presidents talk about deporting only “criminal aliens,” actually all adult “illegal aliens” are “criminal aliens.”
That’s what those words should mean, not just murderers and rapists. “Illegal aliens” have to commit a number of crimes, such as fraud and driving without a license to remain in this country.
As for welfare, more immigrant households are getting it than are households headed by our native born, according to Census data and a study from the Center for Immigration Studies.
Our laws say that, except for refugees and asylum seekers, we’re not to admit immigrants likely to become burdens on the American people. Well, that happens every day, and a profit-making industry is devoted to bringing in refugees, automatically eligible for welfare.
Here is a post from the City Data forum:
Do you know the problems that overcrowded housing causes? It causes disease to rapidly spread. It becomes a fire hazard as the electrical system in a single family home isn’t adequate enough to serve 16-20. The plumbing system also isn’t adequate to handle that many people either. A failed plumbing system also is a cause of diseases spreading. In some flophouses, since there aren’t enough toilets, the residents use the backyard. Since they want to hide the fact that they have a flophouse, they often don’t put out their trash and instead leave it in the backyard, which attracts vermin.
The law-abiding people who live one family to a house find that once flophouses show up on their street, their property values go down as well as their quality of life.
It’s a simple fact. If the only way you can live somewhere is to overcrowd, then you can’t afford to live there. For example, suppose I want to rent an apartment in NYC on 5th Avenue that has a view of Central Park. I take a look at what a one bedroom rents for and quickly realize that the only way I could make the rent is to move 10 or 12 more people in with me. That right there tells me that I can’t afford to live there. No to mention that no decent landlord would put up with anyone doing the overcrowding.
Over 100 years ago (as I mentioned in my other post in this thread) there was a massive crackdown on overcrowding. People had figured that overcrowded tenements spread disease and were fire hazards. Our country managed just fine. Today a massive crackdown on this type of living will send more illegals packing. Those who are here legally and do this, will face heavy fines and ordered to rip out anything in their home that wasn’t up to code.
As long as we have jurisdictions willing to turn a blind eye to this nonsense, it will continue. If it continues, it will allow sleazy businesses to continually underpay their employees. Americans won’t put up with living in overcrowded conditions. The vast majority of us grew up knowing that it was unacceptable to live that way.
About 10 years ago, my Dad was living in a senior citizen trailer park in Las Vegas. My nephew went to there with the intention of finding work then getting his own place. Nephew had back of the house restaurant experience so he went out and pounded the pavement. Everywhere he went, they weren’t hiring. He noticed all the Hispanics working these jobs. When he went out to look for housing, he quickly learned that if he got a BOH job at a restaurant, he couldn’t afford the rent on an efficiency apartment. He asked my Dad how these “Mexicans” (his word, not mine) can afford to live here. My Dad told him they live up to 20 people in a house or apartment.
And a reply to said post:
I’ve seen it as well, but as long as the slumlords are permitted to do this, then they will continue to make good money for crap housing by allowing overcrowding. The market is perverted when people are willing or forced to live like that ( 5 people in a studio and worse )
A lot of this happening in L.A too of course .
I used to work with a young lady that lived in an older apartment building that sounded run down . It was in a nice part of town so demand was high . She mentioned that the landlords didn’t care how many people were in the building.
It was her and her husband and two kids in a 1 bedroom .. but it sounded like some units had a lot more people .
She said the building was pretty noisy. The landlords were Asian and also owned a dry cleaners across the street, sounded like the building wasn’t maintained too well.
It is kind of a tenantment type of situation happening in many of these sanctuary cities .
Reality is the vast majority of illegals are uneducated and in poverty . We don’t need to be importing more of that.
Of course the open border liberals will say that’s mean and cruel .
Here is a post from an anti-open borders group on FB:
Hey AMERICAN CONSTRUCTION WORKERS…
Take a look at this – Apparently a dry wall company owner in Texas named Oscar Martinez says or claims “The Americans I hire can’t last in this job more than half a day.”
So apparently per this cheap labor panderer, ‘You American Men and Women’ cannot hold a candle on the job next to an illegal alien.
Pandering, cheap labor, pro illegal B.S.
Hope his asinine statements reflect heavily on his business while we continue to deport illegal aliens and put Americans back to work
Just thought you hard working American Construction Workers – would like to know.
Here is a post from a Utah anti-Common Core group:
I had an interesting conversation with my cousin today–a former teacher, retired from the Granite District. She mentioned that the teachers weren’t/aren’t allowed to ask the students if they were “documented” or not; maybe you knew that. Then she mentioned that they had an Iranian student who knew very little English, so the district has to pay for an interpreter fluent in Farsi to assist the student in taking tests, etc. Fun stuff, right? No big problem, though . . . because we all know that we have unlimited funds/budgets at every level of government, and we can EASILY absorb and support the roughly 7,000,000,000 third-world residents who want to come here and enjoy our country, right? Suuuure. No problem.
Here is a post from an anti-Amnesty group:
In A Nutshell… Another Factual Aspect/Perspective
Profit and Non-Profits alike, making big bucks with our government confiscated hard-earned tax dollars via the government – the same government that refuses to enforce our immigration laws, deport those illegally in the Country and Build the Wall.
Here are some posts from a Breitbart article about illegals being caught by ICE at meat-packing places:
Remember a few years ago when Smithfield Foods (BTW, a wholely owned subsidiary of WH Group out of China) was nailed with a bunch of illegals working there? I have never bought another Smithfield product since, and I used to love their meats. I now buy from a small, local farm and know that no illegals are working there.
there are two meat plants in Colorado in Greeley and FT Morgan that had Americans working there and the illegals priced them out.
Does this mean that 137 were illegal and the employer knew it? If so, fine them $500,000 per illegal and throw the CEO and HR manager in jail for 5 years with no parole. Repeat as necessary for any company you find knowingly hiring illegals.
“Does this mean that 137 were illegal and the employer knew it?”
The article said they were being sued since 2001, for hiring illegals and forging documents. They have had the case held up in court, and have profited from their corrupt business practices the entire time. It took the failed government 17 years to check into the problem. Someone in government was profiting, just like with yarbee farms.
..and Governor Kasich knew…
I worked in the RV industry when a warren Buffett Company called forest river was raided and over 100 illegals were captured The plant is in the Los Angeles area. Operations were shut down orders were delayed until they restocked up on more illegals
I found this post on an anti-open borders group page:
Illegals first in California!
“My son has a full time job and I have two jobs we’ve been living in our car for seven months, I’ve been attending the same church for twenty years and they couldn’t help and I went to get assistance we make too much but people with no jobs illegals were able to get cash aid food stamps and housing. I have good jobs I work for ups. It’s just unreal
Here is a post I found from a Conservative FB group. It’s about the caravan:
I lived in Mexico, I’m fluent in Spanish and I understand the culture very well.
Sunday I watched a video filmed by one of the caravaners as they reached the Mexican/Guatemala border either Saturday or Sunday.
The Mexican Federal Police has sealed the border entry tight with steel barricades. The Central Americans ( largely Guatemalans and Hondurans almost exclusively males under 40) assaulted the border wall for hours. Mexican police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the rioting mass in attempt to break the group up. Rock throwing at police was the largest assault on military/police I’ve ever seen. Bigger than any Palestinian assault on Israeli military/police. The volume of rocks being thrown was impressive— dozens of rocks in the air every second. A nightmare to be in as a cop.
I heard the comments, epithets being hurled at Mexico from that bridge. I also saw the Mexican responses in comments posted.
What immediately came to mind was that if this was an encounter at say the U.S. — Mexican border, the caterwauling about racism would have been endless and deafening. But this fight was between Guatemalans and Hondurans against Mexicans. So there are no race issues, but the contempt between the two factions was dripping. Mexicans posting were scathing in their rebuke and criticism of the border crashers. Quite colorful language to demean and disrespect the caravaners. The Mexicans routinely stating, “don’t come to our country, acting like this, and expect to be let in, you filthy, mother raping dogs.”
This was a peak behind the curtain for me. There are lots and lots of delinquents, thugs and criminals in this caravan, that was painfully obvious.
And I can say, all the prejudice and contempt I’ve witnessed in Texas for over 55 years really pales in comparison to the vitriol I witnessed on that bridge. Really, really vile language.
These are not people the U.S. should welcome. Instead, they should be kept out at all costs. Sure, some decent people are in the caravan. That is not to be questioned. But unfortunately, they chose the wrong group to associate with.
A rogue federal judge is undermining US sovereignty in favor of the Evil Empire, the United Nations, and forcing Agenda 21/2030 and the Sustainable Development Goals on us: